Peshawar School Masacre
Peshawar School Masacre
Pakistani Taliban is credited.....145 dead mainly students
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world ... .html?_r=0
At this point I ask, What would Israel do?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world ... .html?_r=0
At this point I ask, What would Israel do?
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Without reading, create a brilliant web of scenarios that when reviewed create much more than reasonable doubts about culpability or responsibility all while reveling in being the best stealth terrorist ever.Adurentibus Spina wrote:Or, what would Putin do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_sch ... age_crisis
I'll take Israel's ideas.
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I'm not sure how to treat these cases, except similarly (if not identically) to non-politically-motivated hostage/mass-killing scenarios. I don't think there's a way to operate that can make things go well. I think we're stuck with hope and fear.
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That's always the wrong question. I'm not even sure if you are serious (hopefully you are not.)SR wrote:At this point I ask, What would Israel do?
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Your first sentence is too universal to be a sound principle. There's no grounds for asserting that every political action on the part of the Israeli government (i.e., "what Israel do") is always such that asking what Israel would do in a given case would always be wrong. That said, it might be helpful for SR to explain why he thinks Israel would be instructive here.Larry B. wrote:That's always the wrong question. I'm not even sure if you are serious (hopefully you are not.)SR wrote:At this point I ask, What would Israel do?
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Israel, since the 70's has taken a very proactive approach to threat, and attacks alike. At this point, after a school massacre, US built F16's would be in the air destroying anything that resembled a Taliban fortress.Adurentibus Spina wrote:Your first sentence is too universal to be a sound principle. There's no grounds for asserting that every political action on the part of the Israeli government (i.e., "what Israel do") is always such that asking what Israel would do in a given case would always be wrong. That said, it might be helpful for SR to explain why he thinks Israel would be instructive here.Larry B. wrote:That's always the wrong question. I'm not even sure if you are serious (hopefully you are not.)SR wrote:At this point I ask, What would Israel do?
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Okay, so maybe one explanation (speculatively) is that government officials in Pakistan are supported by, supportive of, in collusion with, or just plain afraid, of the Taliban, especially since the Pakistan/Afghanistan border, and the security of people living near it, are basically non-existent.
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Another is maybe the Taliban is terrified of Israel....a staunch ally of the west, and the clearest representation of the west in the middle east.
They seem like a very logical target, yet not even a peep threat, ever, from these barbarians. Retaliation would be swift and most severe.
Frankly, I am just fucking tired of reading this shit. As much as I despise Sam Harris, I am very tempted to read Waking Up
They seem like a very logical target, yet not even a peep threat, ever, from these barbarians. Retaliation would be swift and most severe.
Frankly, I am just fucking tired of reading this shit. As much as I despise Sam Harris, I am very tempted to read Waking Up
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SR wrote:Another is maybe the Taliban is terrified of Israel....a staunch ally of the west, and the clearest representation of the west in the middle east.
They seem like a very logical target, yet not even a peep threat, ever, from these barbarians. Retaliation would be swift and most severe.
Frankly, I am just fucking tired of reading this shit. As much as I despise Sam Harris, I am very tempted to read Waking Up
Sorry thread jack a bit here. I've read two interesting books recently, three magic words by uell Andersen and divine science: it's principle and practice. Currently reading power within you by Eric butterworth.
Been staying away from here for a little I felt for me there was too much negativity I was being drawn into. So I took a step back. Trying to get back into the positive energy of things, it's there.
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good positive thread to make your return.LJF wrote:
Been staying away from here for a little I felt for me there was too much negativity I was being drawn into. So I took a step back. Trying to get back into the positive energy of things, it's there.
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I get the same exhaustion. We're living in an era where the news isn't *just* another show, it's an always-on infinitely frequent status update and everyone you know is an activist about everything all the time. That would make anyone tired. But the world was like this before we had social media -- we're just now getting things in real-time.SR wrote:Another is maybe the Taliban is terrified of Israel....a staunch ally of the west, and the clearest representation of the west in the middle east.
They seem like a very logical target, yet not even a peep threat, ever, from these barbarians. Retaliation would be swift and most severe.
Frankly, I am just fucking tired of reading this shit. As much as I despise Sam Harris, I am very tempted to read Waking Up
I think there are cases for military intervention, but not out of fear or hatred. I think it's a very good thing that many people still remember an Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan where things were better, women were more free, and so on... And I think we ought to be playing that for all it's worth, pumping money and resources and people into education and healthcare as hard as we can and with as much secular influence as we can, until it's inconceivable to support the Taliban (or the Tea Party, for that matter).
Just look at Bangladesh for an example of how quickly and how much things can change within a generation.
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creep wrote:good positive thread to make your return.LJF wrote:
Been staying away from here for a little I felt for me there was too much negativity I was being drawn into. So I took a step back. Trying to get back into the positive energy of things, it's there.
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Israel is a terrorist state, man. Isn't your country supposed to be fighting those? Or is it possible that a big part of your population (yourself included) have been confused to the point that you have no idea what is or isn't terrorism and who exactly are the bad guys?SR wrote:Israel, since the 70's has taken a very proactive approach to threat, and attacks alike. At this point, after a school massacre, US built F16's would be in the air destroying anything that resembled a Taliban fortress.Adurentibus Spina wrote:Your first sentence is too universal to be a sound principle. There's no grounds for asserting that every political action on the part of the Israeli government (i.e., "what Israel do") is always such that asking what Israel would do in a given case would always be wrong. That said, it might be helpful for SR to explain why he thinks Israel would be instructive here.Larry B. wrote:That's always the wrong question. I'm not even sure if you are serious (hopefully you are not.)SR wrote:At this point I ask, What would Israel do?
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is this the start of larry b jew hate again?
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Nope, just stating a fact
Criticism towards Israel is not the same as anti-semitism, you know?
Criticism towards Israel is not the same as anti-semitism, you know?
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Criticism and facts are not the same thing.Larry B. wrote:Nope, just stating a fact
Criticism towards Israel is not the same as anti-semitism, you know?
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I don't think a savage response to a group who can order the murder of hundreds of children is wrong.Larry B. wrote:Israel is a terrorist state, man. Isn't your country supposed to be fighting those? Or is it possible that a big part of your population (yourself included) have been confused to the point that you have no idea what is or isn't terrorism and who exactly are the bad guys?SR wrote:Israel, since the 70's has taken a very proactive approach to threat, and attacks alike. At this point, after a school massacre, US built F16's would be in the air destroying anything that resembled a Taliban fortress.Adurentibus Spina wrote:Your first sentence is too universal to be a sound principle. There's no grounds for asserting that every political action on the part of the Israeli government (i.e., "what Israel do") is always such that asking what Israel would do in a given case would always be wrong. That said, it might be helpful for SR to explain why he thinks Israel would be instructive here.Larry B. wrote:That's always the wrong question. I'm not even sure if you are serious (hopefully you are not.)SR wrote:At this point I ask, What would Israel do?
I am aware of some ruthless behavior on the part of the Israelis. Hence, my exasperated, last resort hypothetical question, 'what would Israel do"? They have a right to be a sovereign state, free of threat and terror themselves.....my post was but a direct and singular response to the Peshawar massacre, not a referendum on global politics.
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Though I am pleased you took this down this road.
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This was an horrific and appalling act of terror. But doesn't violence beget violence? The drone attacks on the frontier of Pakistan which has killed many children seems to have played a significant role in these attacks. The Taliban (or Islamic State) are no ambassadors to Islam. Is it always going to be a case of you did this so we're going to do this? When does it end? Probably never as this thought process has been around for centuries. It's fucked up.
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Yes, it does. Israel, though feared, is an example though that oversimplifies of course.
I must admit this event, Scotland, and sandy hook bring out a lust for pure vengeance in me.
I must admit this event, Scotland, and sandy hook bring out a lust for pure vengeance in me.
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Pretty sure that's an understatement on several counts. It's not a thought process, it's an emotional reaction, and it didn't arise randomly a few centuries ago, it seems to exist in other animals as well. It's an evolutionary strategy, and not a particularly nice one.Bandit72 wrote: Probably never as this thought process has been around for centuries.
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Surely emotional feeling is part of your thought process? In humans anyway. The attack was planned, ergo they thought about what they were going to do and how they were going to go about doing it. I agree that if, for example, you are with a friend and your friend is attacked you would 'instinctively' react.Adurentibus Spina wrote:Pretty sure that's an understatement on several counts. It's not a thought process, it's an emotional reaction, and it didn't arise randomly a few centuries ago, it seems to exist in other animals as well. It's an evolutionary strategy, and not a particularly nice one.Bandit72 wrote: Probably never as this thought process has been around for centuries.
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Thoughts and emotions aren't separate, but reactions needn't be generated by a mechanism once we understand which one, if we can determine a better path.
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....if you like to think rationally. Having some kind of fanatical religious fantasy drilled into you from when you were a child probably isn't the best start in life.