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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

#51 Post by perkana » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:41 pm

One found, 42 to go :sad:

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#52 Post by perkana » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:46 am

I was just too sad to post more about this. Can you imagine just getting a molar and a bone fragment of your son back? My heart goes out to his dad.
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#53 Post by perkana » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:14 pm

Translated from Proceso Iguala: The Unofficial History

Mexico City: Federal Forces participated in the attack on Ayotzinapa students the night of September 26 in Iguala, Guerrero, during which three normalistas died and 43 went missing in a series of events that were known in real time by the federal government.
A study carried out with the support of the Investigative Reporting Program of UC Berkeley based on testimonies, videos, unpublished reports and court statements shows that the Federal Police (PF) were actively and directly involved in the attack. The new investigation contradicts previous statements from the PGR.

Furthermore, according to information obtained by Proceso in the Normal School of Ayotzinapa, the attack and disappearance of the students were directed specifically at the ideological and governance structure of the institution, as some of the 43 missing students were part of the Comité de Lucha Estudiantil (Student Action Committee), the highest governing body of the school and 10 of the victims were “political activists in training” of the Comité de Orientación Política e Ideológica (Committee on Political and Ideological Orientation) or COPI.

Until now the official version is that the then mayor of Iguala, Jose Luis Abarca, ordered the attack, concerned about the possibility that students would interrupt the activity of his wife, María de los Ángeles Pineda Villa, head of Desarrollo Integral de la Familia (DIF).

According to this version, municipal police of Iguala and the adjoining town of Cocula attacked and captured the students, while members of the cartel Guerreros Unidos murdered and burned their bodies, with the lack of federal agents and soldiers in the area. However, the documents and testimony obtained reveal a different story.
Audiovideos captured by witnesses to the attack on normalistas from Ayotzinapa:

An unpublished Guerrero government report – dated in October and delivered to the Secretary of the Interior (SEGOB) over a month ago and obtained by Proceso concerning the events of 26 and 27 September said that the students were monitored by agents of the state and federal governments from the time they left the Normal school facilities in Ayotzinapa.

According to the document, the Control, Command, Communications and Computer Center (C4) of Chilpancingo reported that the normalistas started out from Ayotzinapa towards Iguala at 17:59 hours. At 20:00 the federal and state police arrived at the Chilpancingo-Iguala federal highway, where the students started a highway collection. At 21:22 hours the head of the base of the federal police, Luis Antonio Dorantes, was informed of the entry of young people to the bus station and at 21:40 the Iguala C4 reported the first shooting.

In a press conference on November 7 the prosecutor Jesús Murillo Karam said that federal authorities were not involved in the September 26 attack on the normalistas from Ayotzinapa. The new investigation directly contradicts the official version of events surrounding the September 26 attack in Iguala.

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#54 Post by perkana » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:21 pm

Took a break during holidays...recently scientists, witnesses and one of the students families' lawyers think that soldiers tortured them, killed them and burned them in their own incinerators. They have refuted the Office of the Mexican Attorney-General's hypotheses.
Couldn't find any news in English, but if you're interested, you can translate the next ones with your browser (with Chrome, just right click on the page and choose 'translate to English').
http://www.sinembargo.mx/06-01-2015/1209087
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2015/01/04/politica/008n1pol
http://www.cencos.org/comunicacion/cien ... nten-a-pgr
Richard Trumka, president of AFL-CIO (American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations), stresses that the attack on the student teachers is not an isolated issue in a crisis marked by serious problems of corruption, abuse and official impunity, all of which is also expressed in labor relations.
Activist groups have called for protests in Washington, at the White House, and other cities on Tuesday against the meeting of the presidents. They claim that political cooperation in security have led to serious abuses in Mexico, as the Ayotzinapa and Tlatlaya cases.
The common demand is to end the Mérida Initiative programs and others until it is clarified and made justice in what they consider one of the worst human rights crisis in America. Among the groups are Mexicanos sin Fronteras, Mexicanos Unidos, School of the Americas Watch, # USTired2 and Washington Peace Center.
In Los Angeles, members of the Latin American Coalition for Aytozinapa and the Independent Coordinator delivered letters on Monday to the offices of the two federal senators from California, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, expressing concern at the serious wave of violence in Mexico and violations of human rights in the country, even against relatives of the signatories.
They request that both legislators schedule public hearings on the issue, and discuss the suspension of US assistance to foreign forces violators of human rights, as considered in the case of the government of Enrique Peña Nieto.
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2015/01/06/politica/004n1pol

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#56 Post by chaos » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:31 am

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... dents.html

Mexico official declares 43 missing students dead

Parents challenge conclusion a day after Mexico City protests mark four months since students’ disappearance

January 27, 2015 6:15PM ET
by Al Jazeera Staff

Mexico's attorney general on Tuesday said that evidence shows that all 43 students missing since clashing with police in September in Guerrero state were killed and incinerated at a garbage dump — a claim parents of the students challenged one day after mass protests marked four months since their disappearance.

Attorney General Jesús Murillo Karam cited confessions and forensic evidence from the spot near a garbage dump where he said the students were killed and incinerated shortly after being seized by police in the southern city of Iguala.

It was the first time Murillo had bluntly declared all of the students dead, despite DNA identification of only one student and the declaration from a forensics lab in Innsbruck, Austria, that it was unable to find DNA that could be used to identify charred remains.

"The evidence allows us to determine that the students were kidnapped, killed, burned and thrown into the river," Murillo said in a press conference that included a video reconstruction of the mass murder and of the investigation into the case.

But a forensics team from Argentina called in to test human remains has said it was impossible to know if the samples provided by the government came from the incinerated remains found near Iguala.

Widespread public outrage over the disappearances has jolted the government of President Enrique Peña Nieto. Millions of protesters have taken to the streets since September, often accusing police and the state government of complicity in the crimes.

Murillo has come under fire from many circles, including the parents and experts from Mexican universities who say the government's version of what happened is implausible.

The attorney general said he based his conclusion on 39 confessions and evidence at the scene. Murillo’s office said it obtained a key confession on Jan. 15 from gang member Felipe Rodríguez Salgado, whose declaration coincided with those made by three other gang members who allegedly participated in the executions.

Police authorities have said gang members killed and incinerated the students on Sept. 26, and that their remains were bagged and thrown into a nearby river in the following days.

Iguala’s former mayor, José Luis Abarca, has been charged with the kidnapping of the students, after confessions revealed he ordered the police crackdown on them.

The parents, who blame the state for the disappearances, remain determined to find their children alive and have consistently criticized Peña Nieto's government for its handling of the case.

During Monday’s Mexico City protests, which drew thousands of demonstrators, relatives of the students insisted that they will continue searching for their family members until there is conclusive scientific evidence that confirms the deaths.


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#57 Post by kv » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:46 pm

time to start sweeping it under the rug...wow

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#58 Post by perkana » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:14 pm

They've been trying to do that since November. Motherfuckers. Now they are telling us to move on :eyes:

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#59 Post by perkana » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:29 pm

What has been speculated is that they were disappeared because some of them (8 or 9 I think) belonged to a group that has formed social leaders like Lucio Cabañas. Plus, the government has always wanted to shut down these rural schools. So they are not fooling us.
Heard this morning on the radio that their parents are going to ask the UN's Human Rights Watch to back them up on their proposal to use the Argentinian forensics team to help them confirm these findings.

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#60 Post by perkana » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:00 pm

On Tuesday March 10th at San Diego City College a press conference was held announcing the upcoming arrival of three caravans planned to begin travelling across the country, including one which will arrive in San Diego on March 23. All caravans will include students from Ayotzinapa and family members of some of the 43 normalistas that went missing from Guerrero, Mexico, this past September, with remains of all students except one yet to be found.
The arrival of one of the three caravans in San Diego on the 23rd will be the beginning of more than 45 cities in the U.S. that will be visited. The U.S. is also the first country outside of Mexico to call for action.
“One is the caravan Pacific that is going from San Diego to the Seattle. Then there is a caravan in the center of the country that is going from Texas up to Chicago. Then you have a caravan in the Atlantic coast that will travel up—and the three caravans will travel to Washington D.C. and end in New York,” said panel member and San Diego City College Professor Enrique Davalos.
The demands of the Caravan, taken from a print out passed out during the event, are the following:
1. That the United States government stop the aid in the form of arms, ammunition and military hardware. Due to the fact that most of this aid is in large part responsible for the thousands of deaths and massive human rights violations in its neighboring country.
2. The United States apply international pressure to the Mexican government that they return the 42 kidnapped students alive.
http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/03/ca ... s-the-u-s/

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#61 Post by mockbee » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:50 am

perkana wrote:
On Tuesday March 10th at San Diego City College a press conference was held announcing the upcoming arrival of three caravans planned to begin travelling across the country, including one which will arrive in San Diego on March 23. All caravans will include students from Ayotzinapa and family members of some of the 43 normalistas that went missing from Guerrero, Mexico, this past September, with remains of all students except one yet to be found.
The arrival of one of the three caravans in San Diego on the 23rd will be the beginning of more than 45 cities in the U.S. that will be visited. The U.S. is also the first country outside of Mexico to call for action.
“One is the caravan Pacific that is going from San Diego to the Seattle. Then there is a caravan in the center of the country that is going from Texas up to Chicago. Then you have a caravan in the Atlantic coast that will travel up—and the three caravans will travel to Washington D.C. and end in New York,” said panel member and San Diego City College Professor Enrique Davalos.
The demands of the Caravan, taken from a print out passed out during the event, are the following:
1. That the United States government stop the aid in the form of arms, ammunition and military hardware. Due to the fact that most of this aid is in large part responsible for the thousands of deaths and massive human rights violations in its neighboring country.
2. The United States apply international pressure to the Mexican government that they return the 42 kidnapped students alive.
http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/03/ca ... s-the-u-s/

Sounds like good action. I visited their site, and couldn't find a schedule. (looks like press conference on March 23rd with more details) Let me know when they will be in the SF/Bay Area. If/when they come to SF I will go. :thumb: :tiphat:

Are people scared of retaliation when they return to Mexico? Sounds like the government has been ruthless...... :no:

Do you think Feds coordinate with local jurisdictions (the local one's likely responsible for, what we can assume now, the killing of those 43 students?)

I don't know how active you are, but are you ever personally scared for your security?


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#62 Post by perkana » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:12 am

Tras dejar San Antonio, la ruta central de la Caravana 43 recorrerá Austin y Dallas, también en Texas, Kansas City (Kansas), San Luis (Misuri), Saint Paul (Minesota), Milwaukee (Wisconsin), Chicago (Illinois), Grand Rapids, Lansing y Detroit (Michigan) y finalizará en Columbus (Ohio).

Los familiares que parten de El Paso, visitarán Las Cruces (Nuevo México), las ciudades californianas de San Diego, Santa Ana, Los Ángeles, Oxnard, Fresno, Berkeley, San Francisco, Sacramento y Santa Rosa, Portland (Oregón), Olympia, Seattle y Yakima (Washington), Las Vegas (Nevada) y Denver (Colorado).

Finalmente, desde McAllen irán a Houston (Texas), Nueva Orleans (Luisiana), Birmingham (Alabama), Atlanta (Georgia), Blacksburg y Richmond (Virginia), Durham (Carolina del Norte), Washington, Baltimore (Maryland), Filadelfia (Pensilvania), Nueva York, Hartford (Connecticut) y terminarán en Boston (Massachusetts).
My guess would be UC Berkley? :noclue: Haven't checked their site though.
I don't feel in danger because I live in Mexico City. But I still feel enraged by this, because even if I'm not related to any of the victims, they are my people.

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#63 Post by perkana » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:23 am

mockbee wrote:
Are people scared of retaliation when they return to Mexico? Sounds like the government has been ruthless...... :no:

Do you think Feds coordinate with local jurisdictions (the local one's likely responsible for, what we can assume now, the killing of those 43 students?)
We are not scared of retaliation against them. Them and the rest of the country are fed up with it. This tour is to tell everybody that our government cannot stop this investigation.
You have to read the links to articles I've posted on this thread. There's info about the involvement of feds with local police in the students dissapearence.
Also, a representative of UN humans rights has said this was definitely a forced dissapearence.

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#64 Post by mockbee » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:30 am

perkana wrote:
mockbee wrote:
Are people scared of retaliation when they return to Mexico? Sounds like the government has been ruthless...... :no:

Do you think Feds coordinate with local jurisdictions (the local one's likely responsible for, what we can assume now, the killing of those 43 students?)
We are not scared of retaliation against them. Them and the rest of the country are fed up with it. This tour is to tell everybody that our government cannot stop this investigation.
You have to read the links to articles I've posted on this thread. There's info about the involvement of feds with local police in the students dissapearence.
Also, a representative of UN humans rights has said this was definitely a forced dissapearence.

Yes, I have read the articles and it does look like there has been coordination, just the level of complicity is obviously unknown. That is why I was wondering if people in DF are ever concerned, at rallies and events like that in DF. I know police break them up there, like they do here, but it doesn't sound like abductions or killings have taken place at rallies in Mexico City, just out in the country, more rural areas.



oh jeeeeez, just went back through your postings...... :no:
Mexico City: Federal Forces participated in the attack on Ayotzinapa students the night of September 26 in Iguala, Guerrero, during which three normalistas died and 43 went missing in a series of events that were known in real time by the federal government.
A study carried out with the support of the Investigative Reporting Program of UC Berkeley based on testimonies, videos, unpublished reports and court statements shows that the Federal Police (PF) were actively and directly involved in the attack. The new investigation contradicts previous statements from the PGR.

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#65 Post by perkana » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:34 am


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March 24-26

California

Los Angeles
For more information, contact (310) 713-0106
Thursday, March 19th
California State Univ. Northridge
18111 Nordhoff St. Northridge, CA 91330
2:30 - 4:00 pm - Presentation in Sequoia Hall, Room 104

4:30 - 8:00 pm - Press Conference at California State Univ. Northridge

Friday, March 20th

Animo Leadership High School in Inglewood, CA
2:00 – 3:30 pm - Meeting
Event only open to parents and students of Animo Leadership High School

California State Univ., Los Angeles
5151 University Drive, Los Angeles, CA 90032
4:30 - 8:00 pm - Presentation in King Hall, Room C4073

La Feria Restaurant
10903 South Inglewood, Inglewood, CA, 90304
3:30 - 5pm
Placita Olvera (Alameda y César Chávez Boulevard)
10:00 am -12:00 pm Press Conference
Caravana43 and women family members of deisappeared family members in Mexico and Central America
CARECEN (Centro de Recursos Centro Americanos)
2845 West 7th Street, Los Ángeles, CA 90005
1 - 3:oo pm - Evento con la Comunidad Centroamericana
Union of Teachers of Los Ángeles
3303 Wilshire , 10th Floor Los Ángeles, CA 90010
5:00 -7:30 pm - Community Event

More Events to be posted in Los Angeles.
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April 6

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April 7-9

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#66 Post by perkana » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:40 am

mockbee wrote: That is why I was wondering if people in DF are ever concerned, at rallies and events like that in DF. I know police break them up there, like they do here, but it doesn't sound like abductions or killings have taken place at rallies in Mexico City, just out in the country, more rural areas.
Of course there is abuse by police at these rallies too. People have been beaten and sent to jail, even when they were not breaking nor burning anything. Since I usually go by myself to these rallies, I try to leave before all hell breaks loose.

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#67 Post by mockbee » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:43 am

perkana wrote:
mockbee wrote: That is why I was wondering if people in DF are ever concerned, at rallies and events like that in DF. I know police break them up there, like they do here, but it doesn't sound like abductions or killings have taken place at rallies in Mexico City, just out in the country, more rural areas.
Of course there is abuse by police at these rallies too. People have been beaten and sent to jail, even when they were not breaking nor burning anything. Since I usually go by myself to these rallies, I try to leave before all hell breaks loose.
But no one killed or reported missing at the rallies in Mexico City, right? Maybe it says in your articles.

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#68 Post by perkana » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:49 am

You should read more about our history. Read about the massacre of Tlatelolco.
Also, a lot of people missing and then found dead because of narc dealings or people trafficking (and yes, here in Mexico City too). Just google them. I'd love to help you but I don't have time.

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#69 Post by mockbee » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:13 am

perkana wrote:You should read more about our history. Read about the massacre of Tlatelolco.
Also, a lot of people missing and then found dead because of narc dealings or people trafficking (and yes, here in Mexico City too). Just google them. I'd love to help you but I don't have time.

I understand. It's hard to know where to start, seems endless........ I knew about the massacre of protesters in '68 before the Olympics, didn't know it was called the Tlatelolco Massacre though. Simply mentioning specific events is helpful, I have no problem looking them up to get the story. Mostly in my previous inquiry I meant stuff in the last decade or so, I guess it's really been endless there. Like you said, stuff is changing for the resistance movement due to social media capabilities. That is good at least.

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#70 Post by perkana » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:12 am

Four days ago a monument in memory of the missing students was inaugurated. Finally saw it yesterday. It's on Reforma, across Sebatián's "El caballito" (reference for whomever knows my city)
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