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[creep]

deal is off

[Juana]

Yeah just saw that because the owners of other teams got pissy.... small markets need to understand they will never ever no matter the system have the money to compete with the LA and NYC markets because of the TV deals.

Also Paul is only going to resign with Lakers or the Knicks so the Hornets have to trade him to one of those teams because any other team is going to trade for him for nothing.

[SR]

Hornets are owned by the leauge.

Small markets are essential to this leauge, so unless Paul, Griffin, Howard, and anyone else I want go to the Celtics this is a very prudent move.

[Juana]

well Paul isn't going to show up to training camp and is filing a grievance against the league since there was collusion according to his agent.

I get small markets but those owners have to understand the players have a choice of where they want to sign extensions so any team that trades for Paul has to know he has let it be known he will only extend with the Lakes or the Knicks.

So the league owned Hornets are going to let him walk for nothing is what it looks like if they don't approve the trade to one of the teams that he will actually resign with, or another owner will cripple their own team giving up a lot for a player that will walk away from their team for nothing.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/20 ... 5-billion/

The league can tax the shit out of the Lakers and before the games are played it will be worth it.

[guysmiley]

No way in hell the Lakers can get both. Impossible. Or nearly.

L.A. LAKERS

The Trade: Chris Paul, Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor for Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Steve Blake and Derrick Caracter.

Additional Notes: I'm not sure the Hornets would keep Odom here — they could spin him to, say, the Clippers (for Aminu and Ryan Gomes) or Minnesota (for Michael Beasley and Anthony Randolph).

The Verdict: As a full-fledged Lakers hater, this one sends chills down my spine. The Hornets save $7 million this season, rebuild around Bynum (good luck with that) and dump the last three years of their Okafor/Ariza deals ($62.7 million). The Lakers get a true center back (Okafor, an underrated double-double guy who can protect the rim), a defensive swingman who knows how to play with Kobe (Ariza), and one of the biggest point guard upgrades in basketball history (going from Steve Blake and Derek Fisher to Chris Paul). They're reinventing their team AND making it better. Yikes.

If I'm The Lakers, Here's My Biggest Concern: We can't get Howard AND Paul. Is getting Paul a better course than getting Howard? My answer: Yes. Getting Howard requires a Bynum/Gasol package; getting Paul means you keep Gasol, which means you'd have three of the best 15 players in basketball (Kobe, Gasol, Paul) and some competent rotation guys (Okafor, Ariza, Fisher, Metta World Peace and Free Agent X). That's a no-brainer in my mind. I'd have a better chance of winning with Kobe, Gasol, Paul, Okafor and Ariza than Kobe, Howard, Odom and Turkoglu — not just this season, but the next two after that.

If I'm The Hornets, Here's My Biggest Concern: Do I really want to rebuild my entire team around Andrew Bynum, someone who missed an extraordinary number of games already, might be headed for more knee problems down the road, and seems to have the emotional maturity of a Real World roommate? Am I the only one who remembers him clotheslining little J.J. Barea last spring, then storming off half-naked? That's going to be my signature guy for the rest of the decade? Really?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/732 ... -christmas

He's right. I really think Paul is going for Westbrook anyways.

[Juana]

Yeah and then what happens when Paul doesn't resign with OKC? He has told his agent there are only two teams he will resign with.

Honestly I think the Hornets will trade him and he will sign with the Knicks if the trade to the Lakers doesn't happen, but Howard will come to Lakerland just send them Gasol and Bynum and there were go.

[guysmiley]

Knicks are probably signing Chandler, so they don't have a bunch of money.

[kv]

coming out the clevelands fuck up owner was involved in veto
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... Paul_Trade

[Juana]

And I called it Chris Paul is going to sue the league for collusion, the other owners got all pissy and Stern blocked it. Yahoo sports has obtained copies of emails that owners sent to Stern to block the trade. Phil Jackson called this happening last year when the league bought the team. This should be interesting. Especially since Paul is suing because he can not go to the Lakers. But he has been told its on "hold"...

The Hornets would have got Dragic, Odom and Scola and then draft picks, they're not going to get a better deal than that because Paul WANTS to go to LA, all his agent has to do it let it be known that he will not sign with any team that trades for him..

Oh well hopefully Mitch has some other tricks lined up because without a trade this team as constructed will probably just get crushed like they did last season as they got a year older and not any better.

[Juana]

That email is exactly what I mean though, news flash Gilbert no one wants to play in most of these small markets the only one that does a good job of getting talent and KEEPING talent is the Spurs because they run shit the correct way instead of just catering to someone's every wish. The other owners need to realize that they have to spend money if they want to have a championship caliber team and then they can possibly get a good TV deal.

And the revenue sharing? Lakers are going to make at least 200 MILL a YEAR from the TV deal they signed. So let them make the trade and make them keep Odom and throw someone else in so they have to pay the luxery tax. The bottom line of Gilbert's email is envy of the money... nothing about the so called competitive balance they were lip servicing.

[kv]

ya shutting down the trade is best for the hornets so they get nothing when paul leaves them at the end of the 66 game season...they would have stock piled talent with this trade...it's just cav hate for big market teams that they will never be....nobody wants to go to fucking cleveland look at the nfl...hell if the owners were smart they would have put in a franchise tag to keep players like this but noooooooooooooooo

[guysmiley]

If you're a Laker fan I don't see how this looks like a good trade? Paul is is still not what he was before he got hurt, even though he's a great PG I don't think he's a long term guy. Gasol and Odom? There goes all your size. Who else is left to get Howard? I think its a bad move. If you're the Hornets, it's probably the best they'll get for him. If I were them, I would ideally want Curry, but that's not going to happen.

Edit: Howard wants to go to the Nets? WTF?

[kv]

bynum for howard

ie howard with best front court in last 40 years with artest =ring ring who is it?

curry is off any table per what the team said yesterday

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bynum for howard

ie howard with best front court in last 40 years with artest =ring ring who is it?

curry is off any table per what the team said yesterday

No way they take Bynum strait up. Too immature and injury pron

[kv]

you're right...why take a young 2 time champion 7 footer when you can wait a year and get NOTHING



thats whats so silly about this and the paul trade these fuckers are gone at the end of the year...GONE THEY WILL GET NOTHING FOR THEM..

or take champions and draft picks and rebuild back up

[Juana]

Yeah Gilbert's wah fest is going to fuck NO. There are only two small market teams that are going to do well next year and that is OKC and SA.

But now ESPN is saying the Paul deal is on hold. I hope Paul sues them because he would have a case for collusion especially with the email leaked. But also not doing this trade is going to fuck the Lakers now because Odom and Gasoft are being little bitches about it, news flash Dr Buss doesn't like being swept. He blows up the team every 6 or so years so that way he's always got a good team to entertain and keep the TV revenue coming in.

Also why is Luke Walton still on the team they should use the amnesty on his contract?

But if they have to chose they need to get the big. Kobe and Howard = better chance at rings.

[kv]

Yeah Gilbert's wah fest is going to fuck NO. There are only two small market teams that are going to do well next year and that is OKC and SA.

But now ESPN is saying the Paul deal is on hold. I hope Paul sues them because he would have a case for collusion especially with the email leaked. But also not doing this trade is going to fuck the Lakers now because Odom and Gasoft are being little bitches about it, news flash Dr Buss doesn't like being swept. He blows up the team every 6 or so years so that way he's always got a good team to entertain and keep the TV revenue coming in.

Also why is Luke Walton still on the team they should use the amnesty on his contract?

But if they have to chose they need to get the big. Kobe and Howard = better chance at rings.

because waltons contract is a trading stone for expiring contracts to teams freeing up money thats why

[guysmiley]

The Hornets should have taken the deal yes. Bynum for Howard seems like a horrible idea. Bynum is a champ by default. I wouldn't build around him. But that's me. I think Gasol, Odom and Artest gave you guys the something special.

[guysmiley]

Yeah Gilbert's wah fest is going to fuck NO. There are only two small market teams that are going to do well next year and that is OKC and SA.

But now ESPN is saying the Paul deal is on hold. I hope Paul sues them because he would have a case for collusion especially with the email leaked. But also not doing this trade is going to fuck the Lakers now because Odom and Gasoft are being little bitches about it, news flash Dr Buss doesn't like being swept. He blows up the team every 6 or so years so that way he's always got a good team to entertain and keep the TV revenue coming in.

Also why is Luke Walton still on the team they should use the amnesty on his contract?

But if they have to chose they need to get the big. Kobe and Howard = better chance at rings.

because waltons contract is a trading stone for expiring contracts to teams freeing up money thats why

I think you have 30 mins till they legally can waive him. Doesn't trading and business officially open on Friday?

[kv]

name 3 true centers in the nba better then bynum? you can't

[guysmiley]

Yeah Gilbert's wah fest is going to fuck NO. There are only two small market teams that are going to do well next year and that is OKC and SA.

But now ESPN is saying the Paul deal is on hold. I hope Paul sues them because he would have a case for collusion especially with the email leaked. But also not doing this trade is going to fuck the Lakers now because Odom and Gasoft are being little bitches about it, news flash Dr Buss doesn't like being swept. He blows up the team every 6 or so years so that way he's always got a good team to entertain and keep the TV revenue coming in.

Also why is Luke Walton still on the team they should use the amnesty on his contract?

But if they have to chose they need to get the big. Kobe and Howard = better chance at rings.

Agreed. I don't understand the reasoning for getting Paul? Blow up one of the best front courts for a PG and no guarantee for a big or even two replacements.

[guysmiley]

name 3 true centers in the nba better then bynum? you can't

true but they could get a better deal I'm sure.

[Juana]

Yeah I know but I hate Luke hated him since college. RJ was always the cooler of the two even though they were always out and about in Tucson together.

I don't hate Gasol but IF Orlando said they wanted him and Bynum then they have to do that trade. There is no way I would take Bynum straight up for Howard if I'm Orlando. Bynum has never played a full season was parking in handicap spots this off season and Orlando has a FAR better deal than just Bynum straight up, and that is Lopez and two non lottery protected 1st round picks from the Nets.

The good news though is Dallas is losing Butler and Chandler and now Dirk has to go back to protecting the rim which we all know what happens when he has to do that. They're also going to overpay for JJ which is nice too.

I could be a dick and name 3 that are better but I will not. I would say Bynum is the second best big in the league but then again I do count whether or not the player actually plays and when you miss 20-40 games every year no matter how talented Bynum does no good sitting on the bench and he will get hurt again this year more than likely that is why Orlando will do the Nets deal unless LA sweetens the deal.

[Juana]

Lopez is a 17/8/2 player for his career is only 23 and is only making 3 million this season and NEVER missed a game due to injury.

Bynum is a 11/8/2 player for his career and is 24 but is making 15 million this year and has missed an average of 31 games per season the last 4 years.

While I think Bynum is the more talented of the two players if you're Orlando and you get to non lottery protected draft picks included in the deal which one would you take?

[kv]

bynum all day lopez didn't have gasol taking his points