Jane's on Letterman

[tcrock]

yeah the backing track is a bit much......but still love this song and this band..and digging the new album more and more each day. and yes the Irving shows last week help me ignore all the critics, and re kindled my love affair.

[Romeo]

Perry sounded awful. The echo on TV killed me & he looked like a gigantic baked potato in that trench coat.

Dave & Stephen were spot on

lose the two hookers dancing that add nothing to the performance, nothing.

[tcrock]

Perry sounded awful. The echo on TV killed me & he looked like a gigantic baked potato in that trench coat.

Dave & Stephen were spot on

lose the two hookers dancing that add nothing to the performance, nothing.

this is shocking review coming from you

[Romeo]

yea because I am the only person on ANR who thinks Perry is the weakest link

[crater]

he looked like a gigantic baked potato in that trench coat.

I thought he looked more like a Cylon

[tcrock]

yea because I am the only person on ANR who thinks Perry is the weakest link

I don't wanna start a thing here.....but......the fact that you sit there in judgment pitting these guys against each other to detemine who the weakest link is speaks volumes.

Yes I'm keenly aware of the position/philsophy, Perry's the weakest link, and Dave and Stephen are shills for the man..that's the general theory right? we should get the party system going on here based on the varying philsophies of the Jane's fans. I'll gladly be part of the more Naive party- where I enjoy these guys (all of em) as musicians/perfromers/artists...and nothing really more than that.

[JOEinPHX]

At one point I thought "Is Perry sick with something?" How did his voice get so bad, so quick? It's completely shot.

Years of improper use with no vocal coach.

He probably never sees a specialist either. Just does the "i'll drink some wine to open up my vocal chords" routine and then is too drunk to notice he is totally off.

[JOEinPHX]

i just thought of a way to bring more excitement to the bass.

[JOEinPHX]

Perry sounded awful. The echo on TV killed me & he looked like a gigantic baked potato in that trench coat.

Dave & Stephen were spot on

lose the two hookers dancing that add nothing to the performance, nothing.

Spot on.

[Tyler Durden]

I am so glad that Bea Arthur finally joined the band .. you can't even tell perry is missing with those great backing trax on loan from katy perry .. the hair the coat .. Bea Arthur brings a touch of class sorely missing from janes these days .. its all just a great addition to the look and feel of my favorite band .. ps .. underground sucks .. its a crappy song and as boring as the strays record .. sounds nothing like janes addiction and if this performance doesn't drive that point home than it really does not matter what janes puts out .. u will lap it up cuz ur a janes bitch! .. this cd will tank .. not even the dumbest modern rock fan will lap this shit up .. i really sincerely wish perry would just drop dave and steve and just lip sync his crappy new solo album that dave and steve were hired to play on. or sincerely just let etty sing all the janes songs .. it would probably sound better .. that hearing aid is not helping perrys golden girls look either .. janes addiction .. an embarassment to rock n roll .. the rumours are true .. they really are dead .. they sold their soul on this one

While I like "Underground" despite it being labeled a song by "Jane's Addiction". I pretty much agree with everything you have said here and found it very amusing.

[Tyler Durden]

i just thought of a way to bring more excitement to the bass.

Chris' hair looks better in this pic.

[Japhy]

Shit... that was beyond awful. I'm gonna convince myself that he (and i think we all know who i mean by "he") was in some way ill.

[Essence_Smith]

This was hard to watch especially as a singer myself who has dealt with a burnt out voice...he's never had proper training and should definitely consider it, and I have NEVER gotten the wine while performing deal, that is the quickest way to dry your throat out and make things a LOT worse...

[JOEinPHX]

Shit... that was beyond awful. I'm gonna convince myself that he (and i think we all know who i mean by "he") was in some way ill.

probably got throat herpes from the hookers that dance for them.

[Romeo]

we got a brick with a bass...
can we get a mic with this?

[creep]

yea because I am the only person on ANR who thinks Perry is the weakest link

I don't wanna start a thing here.....but......the fact that you sit there in judgment pitting these guys against each other to detemine who the weakest link is speaks volumes.

Yes I'm keenly aware of the position/philsophy, Perry's the weakest link, and Dave and Stephen are shills for the man..that's the general theory right? we should get the party system going on here based on the varying philsophies of the Jane's fans. I'll gladly be part of the more Naive party- where I enjoy these guys (all of em) as musicians/perfromers/artists...and nothing really more than that.

yeah is voice is far from what it was but i think most people would say steve issacs has a good voice and we know where that went. he is still a great frontman with a voice that is unreliable.

[Hype]

"I'm a big liver man, a potato."

[Kajicat]

A lot has changed in the last 8 years. His voice was still quite fantastic during the Strays era.

Say what you want about Strays, or even Perry's singing style during that period, but his vox was very strong.

I'm not gonna blame Perry for aging, but I do think he could be doing more to preserve and strengthen his voice, and he could be making more clever use of the technology he's using to help him. This is just some good, old-fashioned constructive criticism.

I agree with you. I was just saying his voice sure has taken a hit from the Strays era to present time. He definitely could use a vocal coach. It worked well for Kiedis.

in addition to age,maybe all that wine he drinks affects the voice?? i am just guessing...

I'm sure it does. Like ES said, the dryness will actually constrict the vocal cords. I never understood how he sang as well as he did for live shows back in the day with all the wine he drinks...my throat would be a shriveled mess if I tried that.

It was really sad and put a damper on how much I've been enjoying that song knowing that it's a complete train wreck live.

It's not a complete train wreck live, here's proof:

yea because I am the only person on ANR who thinks Perry is the weakest link

I too think Perry is the weakest link, but I just seem to be able to cope with it better than most on here

i just thought of a way to bring more excitement to the bass.

I was thinking the same. Can Chris at least walk around or something during the performances? He looks like a bored hired gun. Zero energy from him.

[Larry B.]

Can Chris at least walk around or something during the performances? He looks like a bored hired gun.

Hmmm... but... isn't he?

[bman]

Chris showed some life during the live shows. What can you do..He's not an animated guy. As far as the performance it was good. I don't understand the rants on Perryz voice. Go back and listen to the 97 radio show from December LA radio. My God his voice is AWFUL on that boot. His voice has been hit or miss since the heyday. That's part of the deal. If you want perfection go listen to an opera singer you purists!!!

[Hype]

Chris showed some life during the live shows. What can you do..He's not an animated guy. As far as the performance it was good. I don't understand the rants on Perryz voice. Go back and listen to the 97 radio show from December LA radio. My God his voice is AWFUL on that boot. His voice has been hit or miss since the heyday. That's part of the deal. If you want perfection go listen to an opera singer you purists!!!

I think my annoyance with Perry isn't that he's not a good singer in any objective sense (which is just true), but rather that he's taken to singing in a way that simply doesn't suit his voice. That's really the problem. I don't want a Perry Farrell vocal on a U2 track... Why would anyone want that?... It doesn't make any sense. Perry's voice was strained on the XXX record... but the rawness of it fit the songs, and he had a young man's energy. He still has shitloads of energy, but the beat-up vocals don't fit the songs they're writing these days, or the lyrics he's singing, or the vocal melodies he's trying to hit. He needs to chill the fuck out. Like Maynard did.

[Pandemonium]

That backing track is overkill. I hate backing tracks, but if you're gonna have it, make it one or two voices, mixed low, not something that sounds like a small army mixed higher than everything else.

Has anybody ever heard of a chorus effect that will harmonize with the voice feeding into it, in real time? I haven't, but I'd like to see it. What about one that feeds to two or three different channels and each on has it's own fx, like...maybe there's a flange on one, maybe the second is pitch shifted up an octave, etc.

Yeah, there's plenty of effects that can be used to "treat" Perry's vox live to get virtually the same layered, "chorus" effect his vocals have on the studio tracks for this last album. Ozzy's been using a ton of effects on his voice both in the studio and live since virtually day one of his career. But when the singer fucks up, it's often magnified running through all those effects.

It's one thing for Perry to have his big, old school vox effects box up there on stage and twist dials and punch buttons to add massive echo and flange n' shit on his vocals as he's singing. That's no different than a guitarist using an effects rack and foot switches - the thing is, the audience *sees* the musician actually doing all that cool looking shit, there's no trickery or attempts to hide what's going on and of course it adds spontaneity and drama to the performance. But when there's pre-recorded tracks, especially vocals (or worse, off-stage, hidden singers), that's just bullshit and the audience picks up on that right away.

Perry *is* using backing vox at times and I honestly didn't think he was doing so to the extent he was on Underground live 'til I saw the Letterman clip. That's pretty pathetic to see and I can guarantee that sooner or later relying on pre-recorded vox to that degree is gonna bite him on the ass when his sample file locks up when he hits that foot switch.

[Tyler Durden]

I just don't like the person Perry has become (since he met Etty, really). When I hear him sing the old songs now, they don't ring true; it's a put-on...a "show". The same can be applied for the new songs and their content ("I'll never give up the underground"...really?). If I close my eyes and imagine Perry from 1990 singing, then it's acceptable...but at the end of the day, you know it's just him going through the motions because it's the thing that made him famous to begin with. In the mid to late 90s, he was still totally convincing when he sang Jane's material. Now it's just a schtick (well, since the '01 reunion). If people still like the live show and the new album, yay for them...but I just can't get past the phoniness of it all.

[Artemis]

Perry sounded awful. The echo on TV killed me & he looked like a gigantic baked potato in that trench coat.

I love the trench coat! I think he looks pretty cool in that outfit. 9/10 for style.

[Kajicat]

I just don't like the person Perry has become (since he met Etty, really). When I hear him sing the old songs now, they don't ring true; it's a put-on...a "show". The same can be applied for the new songs and their content ("I'll never give up the underground"...really?). If I close my eyes and imagine Perry from 1990 singing, then it's acceptable...but at the end of the day, you know it's just him going through the motions because it's the thing that made him famous to begin with. In the mid to late 90s, he was still totally convincing when he sang Jane's material. Now it's just a schtick (well, since the '01 reunion). If people still like the live show and the new album, yay for them...but I just can't get past the phoniness of it all.

I've said the same thing before. If you close your eyes and imagine late 80's or early 90's Perry while listening to Strays or TGEA it somehow makes the music so much better For TGEA if I imagine Perry floating in space with dreads the songs become immensely better to me. I know, it sounds ridiculous. Hardcore fans have a lot of problems with his aesthetics nowadays, as they're not at all as they use to be.

Sometimes I think if Perry just decided to grow his dreads back everyone would cut the guy a TON of slack for is shortcomings. I doubt people would rag on him as much for drinking expensive wine, having a posh hot wife, his aging vocals, his newest cover art, etc.