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#76 Post by Stickyfingers » Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:28 am

Casey is really a sensitive soul. She feel hurt.

Without naming her, she refers to Etty.
Etty decided to change the history and past of Perry and the Janes. Obviously out of jealousy because she couldn't accept that all those songs were written for Casey. Janes influence and art was everywhere and she trampled on it while dancing ridiculously on Three Days.

Casey doesn't even have a wikipedia but Etty (who is much smarter in monetizing anything she can) has a very long one. Oh and "The Jane's Addiction songs "Wrong Girl", "Superhero", "To Match the Sun", and the unreleased "Cling to You" were written for Etty."

I'm with Casey. Etty must decide to stay out of the Janes. In every sense. I think Eric is convinced of this too. Leaving her off stage was the first step. Bringing Casey's name back into the Janes legacy should be second.

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#77 Post by Mescal » Thu Jul 18, 2024 5:02 am

Djiezes

Who cares.

Maybe 1% of the people who like Jane´s and listen to their music know who Casey is.

Janes´ music has stood the test of time, not their art.

Perry's brother was the inspiration for obvious and of course . Is he looking for recognition?

Again, nobody cares

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#78 Post by SR » Thu Jul 18, 2024 5:40 am

kv wrote:
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maybe she thinks it will lead to a lil cash...more opportunity...more awareness...
100%

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#79 Post by nestos » Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:54 am

Actually, the last part sounds like a CV

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#80 Post by Tyler Durden » Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:33 am

There's absolutely no argument that Casey played a big role in the aesthetic and artistic vibe during the band's heyday. And I feel bad that she may have been taken advantage of during a very vulnerable state (signing off on her rights to artistic/intellectual property when she was "not in her right mind") as it is reminiscent of what went down with Guns N Roses in the mid 90s. She definitely deserves a percentage of ongoing merch royalties, as well as any revenue related to Gift (not there will be any from now moving forward).

All of that being said, we're talking about art made over 30 years ago. The band moved on without her and it has been evident over the years that while her presence in the band's circle was highly influential for a time, it was not integral to the music and the band's trajectory. Jane's didn't need her during the Relapse era or NIN/JA or present day. They are able to make magic without her...with a slightly different visual flair.

P.S. As an aside, Etty appearing onstage to recreate the Nothing's Shocking twins was just plain corny. And it likely would've been if Casey was still with Perry and did the same thing.

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#81 Post by Hokahey » Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:20 pm

Re-reading the article again and it’s incredible the amount of things she takes credit for. Even his wardrobe. She leaves him absolutely nothing. It’s amazing she fell in love with this total blank slate of a man from the get go.

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#82 Post by nestos » Thu Jul 18, 2024 1:36 pm

He was the foreskin, she was the real head :lolol:

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#83 Post by Hokahey » Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:11 pm

JOEinPHX wrote: .

Nothing has stopped her from creating art since then, or utilizing the relationships she developed with musicians connected to the Jane's camp to pitch her artwork or music video ideas. None of those bands that opened for Jane's in those shows you self-promoted ever needed album artwork or tshirt designs? No one ever wanted instruments painted? It was 1993 and you couldn't find ANYONE interested in alternative artwork stylings?

It kind of just reads like every bitter musician who got kicked out of a band before they got even bigger. :noclue:
Let’s be honest, Gift was not good. I never much cared for the BCS video. It was not a good representation of the band to the masses. But I’ll give it credit for being weird and getting attention. And Soul Kiss was like a high school AV Club project.

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#84 Post by elportosurfer9 » Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:53 pm

I don't know about you guys and girls, but I can't wait for her book. This will be the mother of all rock in roll books! :aoa:

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#85 Post by nestos » Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:06 pm

elportosurfer9 wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2024 3:53 pm
I don't know about you guys and girls, but I can't wait for her book. This will be the mother of all rock in roll books! :aoa:
And her new album !

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#86 Post by bman » Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:22 am

Hokahey wrote:
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JOEinPHX wrote: .

Nothing has stopped her from creating art since then, or utilizing the relationships she developed with musicians connected to the Jane's camp to pitch her artwork or music video ideas. None of those bands that opened for Jane's in those shows you self-promoted ever needed album artwork or tshirt designs? No one ever wanted instruments painted? It was 1993 and you couldn't find ANYONE interested in alternative artwork stylings?

It kind of just reads like every bitter musician who got kicked out of a band before they got even bigger. :noclue:
Let’s be honest, Gift was not good. I never much cared for the BCS video. It was not a good representation of the band to the masses. But I’ll give it credit for being weird and getting attention. And Soul Kiss was like a high school AV Club project.
Gift was really bad except for the first scene. BCS video was a fun little romp. Did Casey also produce Stop video? And Soul Kiss was great for just being a stoned behind the scenes look at the band. But yeah, I wouldn't actually call Soul Kiss a production, other than the Mountain Song video.

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#87 Post by SR » Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:10 am

Wonder what her lucrative but unfulfilling corporate job was she lost...and why?

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#88 Post by nestos » Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:42 am

SR wrote:
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Wonder what her lucrative but unfulfilling corporate job was she lost...and why?
She has a linkedin profile, seems to be related to financial & accounting services for restaurants, which might have suffer of the covid days.

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#89 Post by Hokahey » Fri Jul 19, 2024 10:34 am

It seems like she focused on Perry a lot less when she was doing better financially and was with that Jack guy for quite awhile.

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#90 Post by SR » Sat Jul 20, 2024 5:21 am

nestos wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:42 am
SR wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2024 8:10 am
Wonder what her lucrative but unfulfilling corporate job was she lost...and why?
She has a linkedin profile, seems to be related to financial & accounting services for restaurants, which might have suffer of the covid days.
Hmm...I know a little about that on boutique levels, so she must have been working for very large corporate restaurants to make good money. The last job I would ever see her doing, except DMV clerk

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#91 Post by Noonesshocking » Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:51 am

The Reddit thread on this is wild. One person went so far to say she was the “creative core” of the band. People are weird.

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#92 Post by Hokahey » Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:08 pm

Noonesshocking wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:51 am
The Reddit thread on this is wild. One person went so far to say she was the “creative core” of the band. People are weird.
I’m seeing these types of comments all over the internet. Perry’s a fraud. The band always sucked anyway. They’re typical men. Etc etc. I’m sure Casey is thrilled. Sad seeing this happen when they’re doing so well finally.

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#93 Post by esqfool » Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:58 pm

Maybe she's due a 12.5% shirt because honestly at most, that's about what I'd give to her. To say she was the creative core of the band is fucking laughable. I guess she influenced Eric's punk/goth leanings coupled with Dave and Stephen's metal/rock tastes. I mean there's art and vibe and then there's the music. She did not play on these albums and last time I checked, this is a musical enterprise. I think Casey is a cool person, but I'm not sure what the answer is here. Some merchandise royalties? A thanks or addendum on Wikipedia? Take her away and maybe the art isn't there, or the stage setup, but that still wouldn't stop JA 1.0 from bringing the heat on an empty stage. I say all this from a standpoint of liking her and thinking she seems pretty cool, I'm just not sure exactly what she wants.

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#94 Post by nestos » Mon Jul 22, 2024 3:14 am

esqfool wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:58 pm
Maybe she's due a 12.5% shirt because honestly at most, that's about what I'd give to her. To say she was the creative core of the band is fucking laughable. I guess she influenced Eric's punk/goth leanings coupled with Dave and Stephen's metal/rock tastes. I mean there's art and vibe and then there's the music. She did not play on these albums and last time I checked, this is a musical enterprise. I think Casey is a cool person, but I'm not sure what the answer is here. Some merchandise royalties? A thanks or addendum on Wikipedia? Take her away and maybe the art isn't there, or the stage setup, but that still wouldn't stop JA 1.0 from bringing the heat on an empty stage. I say all this from a standpoint of liking her and thinking she seems pretty cool, I'm just not sure exactly what she wants.
Is Casey really a cool person ? I wouldn't bet... For sure, she used to look cool back in the days but as far as i can appreciate what i read, she's fueled with frustration, bitter and grudge and the way she relates her story with the band to men's iniquity seems so ludicrous. She behaves like an acrimonuous ex-partner and doesn't deserve much interest. Mentions of her name can be found in all related wikipedia pages. She's making noise with nothing.

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#95 Post by Tyler Durden » Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:02 am

nestos wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2024 3:14 am
Is Casey really a cool person ? I wouldn't bet... For sure, she used to look cool back in the days but as far as i can appreciate what i read, she's fueled with frustration, bitter and grudge and the way she relates her story with the band to men's iniquity seems so ludicrous. She behaves like an acrimonuous ex-partner and doesn't deserve much interest. Mentions of her name can be found in all related wikipedia pages. She's making noise with nothing.
Yeah, this stuff with Casey being ascribed to gender inequality is cringe worthy and an unfortunate sign of the times. People in the music industry are fucked over all the time and it has little to nothing to do with what's between someone's legs and everything to do with money.

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#96 Post by EaSY » Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:20 am

Last time I really saw her, she was messed up on H, or something on MTV. What a dumb, cheap shot article. Imagine Pete writing an article saying that Porno would be nothing without Pets, which I basically wrote, Perry just sped it up and wrote some dopey lyrics on top...
This article achieves nothing, other than to diminish her.

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#97 Post by blackcoffee » Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:58 am

I don't know why I expect better from my peers. This is, after all, just a message board, so maybe I shouldn't expect critical thinking or reflection. Or as I said previously to consider one's positionality.

I'm neither a Perry or Casey sycophant, but am a lifelong fan, and was there in the relative early days. Perry (and Jane's) does owe a lot of their early aesthetic to their proximity to Casey. Perry said as much in Classic Girl. No doubt Been Caught Stealing isn't a great video nor is Gift. However, I see a degree of "mansplaining" (yeah. I said it) and worse in this thread. Her thesis is clear. It seems pretty reasonable. And there is textual and visual evidence to support many of her points such as Perry wearing her clothes; Perry learning a few guitar chords on her guitar. Did anyone stop think that maybe she likes their posts because wants to remind that world she's still here? Maybe it's a bit of trolling? Or who knows. As I said previously, it can be a both/and.

RE: mansplaining if someone read the article and took it seriously, you'd know she can't just call them up and make a documentary.

And worse: suggesting OnlyFans given her thesis. Yeah. This thread has been deeply problematic and sexist.

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#98 Post by JOEinPHX » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:00 am

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RE: mansplaining if someone read the article and took it seriously, you'd know she can't just call them up and make a documentary.

No, she would use the contacts she made while working as a creative in 80s/90s Los Angeles to put together a team of filmmakers to do so. And use her knowledge of the inner workings of the band at their formation to drive the story and the questions that would be asked.

You're telling me she knew how to make films and music videos, which she gleefully took credit for in the article, but somehow has forgotten how to do so?

Sorry. No. She doesn't get to pretend to be a film genius and then you turn around and say she can't, or doesn't know how to, make a film.

VH1 used to have an entire series built around putting back together 80s bands who fucking hated each other's guts for a 1 off performance. Total strangers could pull off reunions, but someone responsible for the creative direction of the band is incapable of getting an old friend to do an interview? :eyes:

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#99 Post by Hokahey » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:04 am

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Her thesis is clear. It seems pretty reasonable.
I don’t disagree with anything you have said except this. I don’t think it’s clear at all, and reasonable is very debatable.

This for me consistently comes back to “and so what do you want?”

And let me be clear about something. When I spoke to her twenty years ago it was all about money. Same with Jane Bainter. Those two were very close and were pissed they weren’t receiving their due while watching Janes become a thing again.

In a recent post, Casey has said it wasn’t about money.

Then what’s it about? Recognition? Where does she think her social media followers came from? She knows that Janes fans know who she is. That’s not debatable.

So is it recognition from the band? From Perry? If so, that’s where “reasonable” becomes highly debatable. Because it’s been nearly 40 years, and you signed your rights away. You expect this married man to say “wait wait wait, I wouldn’t be the man I am today if not for my ex girlfriend?” Not a chance.

So then what is it? To inflict harm back on someone you feel harmed you? I mean, ok. At least that makes sense. But be honest. And even then, it’s been decades, and he has created decades of work since then. With you. This does not seem like healthy behavior.

And I have a unique perspective, because she spoke to me about all of this over 20 years ago. She was clearly very angry then. And I’m a bit stunned she’s still this passionate about inflicting pain back at Perry 20 years after that.

And back then the upset was extremely clearly about one thing.money. Things she said:

It’s bullshit that Im struggling and he’s not.

Our marriage wasn’t technically legal but he should have honored it and continued to take care of me.

He told me I would never want for anything.

It was always about feeling like she deserved to not be struggling. And so for me, her saying it’s not about money feels extremely disingenuous when the words are the same but without a statement for the same desired result.

It very much makes me think she knows that saying she wants money out loud wouldn’t be received well, and that instead she’s making her case again and letting the internet mob do that work for her, in the hopes of creating a pressure campaign that makes them feel like they have to in order to quiet the mob.

The fact that she was compensated for the rights to her contributions to begin with should end that debate (and speak to a fairness shown to her to begin with), but she dismisses that by saying “oh well I was fucked up back then.” And why even mention that unless you want more now?

This has absolutely nothing to do with gender for me. It has everything to do with logic, transparency, and what’s reasonable. And I’m not seeing much of any of that.

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#100 Post by Hokahey » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:12 am

JOEinPHX wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:00 am
blackcoffee wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:58 am


RE: mansplaining if someone read the article and took it seriously, you'd know she can't just call them up and make a documentary.

No, she would use the contacts she made while working as a creative in 80s/90s Los Angeles to put together a team of filmmakers to do so. And use her knowledge of the inner workings of the band at their formation to drive the story and the questions that would be asked.

You're telling me she knew how to make films and music videos, which she gleefully took credit for in the article, but somehow has forgotten how to do so?

Sorry. No. She doesn't get to pretend to be a film genius and then you turn around and say she can't, or doesn't know how to, make a film.

VH1 used to have an entire series built around putting back together 80s bands who fucking hated each other's guts for a 1 off performance. Total strangers could pull off reunions, but someone responsible for the creative direction of the band is incapable of getting an old friend to do an interview? :eyes:
I think this is a great point. I think she would say how she was left broken and addicted to drugs and couldn’t pull it together, but I don’t think she can blame others for her inability to still be an artist. And I think the extremely harsh reality is because she was never a great artist to begin with. She makes some cool collages. I’ll give her that. But it’s nothing exceptional. She was an excellent compliment to Perry at the time. To help flesh out ideas and put the finishing touches on things. But if she were the artistic mastermind behind it all we would see that come back to fruition at some point. She’s had decades clean. She has a sympathetic story. If the talent were there, someone amongst the incredible large amount of successful artists she knew from back then, male AND female, would have hired her.

Oh, and she has directed videos and done some work for people since then. And I’ve seen it. And none of it’s good. You can see her flavor in it, but you can also see that she’s limited in her abilities. I’m sorry if that’s harsh, but if you’re going to make The kind of statements she’s been making then you have to accept honest criticism of your artistic capabilities.

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