Would Perry be Canceled Today?

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#21 Post by Tyler Durden » Tue May 11, 2021 6:01 am

Hype wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:34 am
bman wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:29 pm
Good Point. In the 80's there was Tipper Gore and maybe a handful of evangelicals. And no one paid any attention to them. Now's there's a mob that can destroy people's lives overnight.
What are you old people talking about?! The Moral Majority was a huge force for evil in the 80s, from Reagan onwards. They were attacking musicians non-stop, getting them banned from radio and record stores, attacking record stores for displaying 'obscene' material... Creating lists of "devil's music" shit and getting what we now call "Karens" (but back then were probably called "Susan") all hot and bothered.

Yeah, we're well aware of this. That was the point of my original post; it used to just be government intervention (for the most part), spearheaded by the likes of Tipper Gore et al against scapegoats instead of actually solving society's problems. Now, the general public en masse has turned on itself, policing each other, doing the government's dirty work, and ruining lives on a daily basis. Some warranted...but most, largely not. It's one thing when it's "Susan" or "Karen" calling into radio shows during play dates...it's another thing when it's every other person in North American with an internet connection. It's gotten way worse.

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#22 Post by Hype » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:31 pm

Tyler Durden wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 6:01 am
Hype wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:34 am
bman wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:29 pm
Good Point. In the 80's there was Tipper Gore and maybe a handful of evangelicals. And no one paid any attention to them. Now's there's a mob that can destroy people's lives overnight.
What are you old people talking about?! The Moral Majority was a huge force for evil in the 80s, from Reagan onwards. They were attacking musicians non-stop, getting them banned from radio and record stores, attacking record stores for displaying 'obscene' material... Creating lists of "devil's music" shit and getting what we now call "Karens" (but back then were probably called "Susan") all hot and bothered.

Yeah, we're well aware of this. That was the point of my original post; it used to just be government intervention (for the most part), spearheaded by the likes of Tipper Gore et al against scapegoats instead of actually solving society's problems. Now, the general public en masse has turned on itself, policing each other, doing the government's dirty work, and ruining lives on a daily basis. Some warranted...but most, largely not. It's one thing when it's "Susan" or "Karen" calling into radio shows during play dates...it's another thing when it's every other person in North American with an internet connection. It's gotten way worse.
Wait, do I have to go further back and remind you of McCarthyism? People have been moralizing nutbags forever. And they always will be. I don't think *that* is what's worse. I think our always-on interconnectedness has just made it feel far worse because we can't escape it.

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#23 Post by VancouverRick » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:14 am

Tyler Durden wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 6:01 am

It's gotten way worse.
Man... I haven't commented on this site since... forever.

Without getting into too many details, let me give you a gist for how chilling the climate is... in the medical profession. My partner is a physician, and she has colleagues (who I have spoken with) who have opted out of teaching medical students out of doxxing fears, etc. I've spoken to paediatricians who - privately - feel tongue tied in how they address gender dysphoria with parents. They too are worried about the activists. In particular after Dr. Ken Zucker's firing from CAMH, a leading reseaerch/clinician on gender dysphoria:
CAMH again apologized to, and settled with Zucker,[38] paying $586,000 in damages, legal fees, and interest
More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Zucker

You know who pays the price for all of this... anxious/worried parents, and their children.

The ramifications for all of this will be more severe than anything we saw in the 80s (Tipper Gore and lyrics) or 50s/60s (Blacklists). Maybe Salem was worse... but we're still in the middle of this cultural revolution.

Finally, with respect to Perry... of course he'd be cancelled. He's white, Jewish and wealthy. He's way, waaaayyyyyy down the intersectional pecking order. And Casey would be next, guilt by association. Eric Avery - due to skin color - embodies white supremacy, so he'd be on the chopping block as well. It's a good thing the cool kids in 2021 could give a rats-ass about Jane's Addiction.

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#24 Post by Hokahey » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am

VancouverRick wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:14 am
Tyler Durden wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 6:01 am

It's gotten way worse.
Eric Avery - due to skin color - embodies white supremacy, so he'd be on the chopping block as well. It's a good thing the cool kids in 2021 could give a rats-ass about Jane's Addiction.
:eyes:

This is ridiculously stupid.

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#25 Post by VancouverRick » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:00 pm

Hokahey wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am
VancouverRick wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:14 am
Tyler Durden wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 6:01 am

It's gotten way worse.
Eric Avery - due to skin color - embodies white supremacy, so he'd be on the chopping block as well. It's a good thing the cool kids in 2021 could give a rats-ass about Jane's Addiction.
:eyes:

This is ridiculously stupid.

Tweet (2021)

Just saw this new band called Jane's Addiction. Played a song called Whores. Had the lyric:

"I find my fun with the freaks and the niggers"

Super uncomfortable. All white band. Bass player has dreads.

****

A few tweets to Warner, and that would be that.

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#26 Post by Hokahey » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:45 pm

VancouverRick wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:00 pm
Hokahey wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:48 am
VancouverRick wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:14 am
Tyler Durden wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 6:01 am

It's gotten way worse.
Eric Avery - due to skin color - embodies white supremacy, so he'd be on the chopping block as well. It's a good thing the cool kids in 2021 could give a rats-ass about Jane's Addiction.
:eyes:

This is ridiculously stupid.

Tweet (2021)

Just saw this new band called Jane's Addiction. Played a song called Whores. Had the lyric:

"I find my fun with the freaks and the niggers"

Super uncomfortable. All white band. Bass player has dreads.

****

A few tweets to Warner, and that would be that.

Right. Which is the entire basis of my post. And not at all what I said was stupid.

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#27 Post by Hype » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:54 am

Y'all lived long enough to become the man you hate (just like Perry). Congratulations!

A band known for gender-fluidity, hints of homoeroticism, and the vanguard of youth culture has fans who are now considered out of touch conservative loons.

No, but it must be the children who are wrong. :eyes:

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#28 Post by Hokahey » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:51 am

Hype wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:54 am
Y'all lived long enough to become the man you hate (just like Perry). Congratulations!

A band known for gender-fluidity, hints of homoeroticism, and the vanguard of youth culture has fans who are now considered out of touch conservative loons.

No, but it must be the children who are wrong. :eyes:
I'm not sure what you're replying to here. Are you saying Conservatives are driving cancel culture?

It's the young liberals primarily. Which you know, God bless them on some level. They're always the drivers of real social change. Even if they're too naive to realize their mistakes along the way.

And to that point, and my original point, it's sort of ironic that the band who used to outrage Conservatives and be the darling of young progressives would now also outrage young progressives if they were saying and doing the same things today.

And I'm not trying to make any grand statement here. It's just...odd.

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#29 Post by mockbee » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:13 am

Children aren't wrong, or right. They're kids, albeit in their 30's sometimes :eyes: :lol: .....so what. :bored:
The problem is the adults reacting fearfully, either way, to kids. :noclue:

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#30 Post by kv » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:04 pm

Hype gets it...


We are merely in a pendular moment of time where the pendulum has swung all the way to woke...it will center again...worst since Salem? Get off the crack

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#31 Post by kv » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:15 pm

Hype wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:54 am
Y'all lived long enough to become the man you hate (just like Perry). Congratulations!

A band known for gender-fluidity, hints of homoeroticism, and the vanguard of youth culture has fans who are now considered out of touch conservative loons.

No, but it must be the children who are wrong. :eyes:
(To be fair 99% of my friends called me gay for liking them...until they liked em too anyway) ie don't give my gen credit for not being outa touch con loons

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Re: Would Perry be Canceled Today?

#32 Post by Hokahey » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:17 pm

kv wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:04 pm
Hype gets it...


We are merely in a pendular moment of time where the pendulum has swung all the way to woke...it will center again...worst since Salem? Get off the crack
When has the youth pendulum swung more conservative? Maybe the 80s? I'd argue that generally speaking the youth pendulum swings a bit more liberal each generation. It's the kids that push the boundaries. And now we're seeing that function in the age of social media.

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