Perry and Dave Ritual Track by Track Commentary

[kv]

I think it is entirely too far fetched to think Eric would ever play with Perry again except maybe the rock n roll hof which I bet Perry will try and fuck Eric put of....eric prob had what if thoughts that were all laid to rest after walking away the last time....perry will never have that nasally whine to his voice again...he will never sound the same...she's dead and has been for a very very long time

[SR]

I was the only one here who said ea would do it last time. He will never do it again

[JOEinPHX]

Jane's probably won't get into the R&R HoF.

If Perry was smart, he'd start a Lollapalooza Hall of Fame. Jane's could definitely get into that.

[SR]

Well, we agree on something. They'll never get into the hall

[Matz]

isn't that the coolest thing too at this point, not to be in the hall? Seems like a whacked out enterprise

[JOEinPHX]

A lot of hair metal bands have been eligible, and none have gotten in.

That alone gave it a little more prestige.

But you KNOW that Bon Jovi and Motley Crue are going in soon. Probably 2016.

[SR]

There's some real worthiness as well

https://rockhall.com/inductees/

Beatles were inducted the year ns came out

[blackula]

One of the things that was made very clear from the Jerden interview was that Perry and Eric wrote every JA song in that very brief period before Nothing's Shocking was recorded -- I think we've gone over this before, but basically they wrote 20 or so really quality songs as young men, and even Porno For Pyros (and Deconstruction!) relied on throwaways from that era. When they made Strays, they again had to use a few throwaways.

There is no way for them to write Jane's Addiction songs that actually live up to those first two albums and all this talk of Strays as a "good" album is missing the point. Of course it's "good", it involved good musicians and good production (which ruined the JA sound).

Why are you 40+ year old Gen-Xers deluding yourselves into thinking these old men have any chance of reclaiming the glory of a flash in the pan moment from 1986? That's like the old trope of the bitter fat guy on the couch talking about how great a football player he was in high school actually thinking he could try out for the 49ers.

I listened to Ritual all the way through for the first time in YEARS the other day, and it finally blew my mind again. I'd like to not ruin that by ever listening to "new" "Jane's Addiction" again.

I know they're old and a reunion with EA is not realistic. My point is that right now the good vibes are there and a new song with EA that's good plus a RDLH tour with EA would erase much of the bullshit over the last 15 years. Not only will this never happen but I agree with KV that Perry will try to dick Eric out of the HOF induction. Theyre totally getting in, it'll be marketed as the pre Nirvana, paving the way for alternative music angle with the lolla thing added in.

[SR]

Nirvana already holds that mantle. The hall will never steal that from them when they can use it to bolster their appeal and panache

[blackcoffee]

I was the only one here who said ea would do it last time. He will never do it again

Agreed. Eric will never play on stage with Perry again.

[Pandemonium]

Janes will get in the RnRHoF in the next few years, there's no question in my mind that will happen. If Guns n' Roses got in (the first time they were nominated, btw), Janes can. Janes and GnR are basically the flip sides of the end of the 80's rock music, and both bands have shamelessly flogged a few albums worth of classic music for the past couple decades, GnR unquestionably even more tainting their legacy with essentially a cover band for Axl since the end of the 90's. It's not just the quality of the original music and the band's impact, but for better or worse, the whole Lollapalooza thing that insures Janes eventual induction. And of course, they are still cozy with Rolling Stone magazine/Jann Wenner.

I would be floored if they ever work with Eric again. I just don't see it happening even for a RnRHoF induction. In fact, that would be a perfect chance for Perry to burn Eric by not letting him play with the band if they performed. I think at this point, Janes will continue to play sporadic small scale tours for the next few years and maybe cough out one more new album before they just quietly drift away. I don't know what is up with Eric, but it seems like he's more or less done creatively. I hope they all have been investing their money wisely to live on the next 30+ years.

[Hokahey]

Everyone has heard of Guns N Roses. They were the biggest band in the world at one point. You cannot possibly compare the two.

[Hype]

Conan O'Brien still uses Slash's face for URLs.

As much as I love JA, the cultural awareness of GnR is an order of magnitude higher, the precious few references to Dave Navarro in pop culture not withstanding (there's a good one in a Star Wars episode of Family Guy where the old pedophile guy gets into a club by claiming to be "a friend of Dave Navarro's"...)

[Mescal]

Album Sales

Guns N Roses Appetite for Destruction S 1987 - 29 500 000
Guns N Roses G N R Lies S 1988 - 10 000 000
Guns N Roses Use For Illusion I S 1991 - 17 000 000 +
Guns N Roses Use For Illusion II S 1991 - 18 000 000 +
Guns N Roses The Spaghetti Incident? C 1993 - 5 500 000 +
Guns N Roses Live Era: 87- 93 C 1999 - 2 500 000
Guns N Roses Greatest Hits C 2004 - 8 500 000

Even chinese something sold like 3 - 4 million copies.

We've been fortunate to be able to play everything from the smallest clubs to giant stadiums and huge outdoor audiences for a total of 185 shows in 48 countries, in 147 cities with approximately over 500 hours of stage time with an average full show time around three plus hours, performed for over 2,000,000 fans with our current lineup of DJ Ashba, Ron Bumblefoot Thal and Richard Fortus on guitars, Tommy Stinson on bass, Frank Ferrer on Drums and Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman on keyboards, worked with over 200 bands and artists from Motorhead to Black Label Society, shared bills with Elton John, Aerosmith, Rhianna, Queens Of The Stone Age and Metallica with minimal promotion, minimal to zero label support, minimal nonsense and often with serious management challenges.

So that's only year 2000 forward.

They played for like a gazillion other people from 1986 tot 1993 (too lazy too look up some facts)

So ok, Jane's paved the way, they're a cooler band, but Guns n Roses is infinitely bigger than Jane's, in album sales, attendance, notoriety. I heard Patience on the radio yesterday, Sweet child o Mine this morning ....
I think I heard Stop one time on the radio, few months ago. And maybe Been caught stealing long before that. (they probably get more airplay in America, but still).

[Easton]

Conan O'Brien still uses Slash's face for URLs.

As much as I love JA, the cultural awareness of GnR is an order of magnitude higher, the precious few references to Dave Navarro in pop culture not withstanding (there's a good one in a Star Wars episode of Family Guy where the old pedophile guy gets into a club by claiming to be "a friend of Dave Navarro's"...)

There's also a Jane's Addiction reference in an American Dad episode, where a bowling team is named "Lanes Addiction" and if I remember correctly Lanes was written in the Jane's font. Guess McFarlane likes the band

[Romeo]

Farrell: I wrote it about Casey, my girlfriend at the time, but I really wrote it about classic girls. I mean, listen — you can have a funny haircut, you can have a tattoo, you can have a belly piercing. It's all nice, but what I really love is a little turned-up-nose, pouty-lips shyness, you know? A classic girl.

At least he admits it now istead of skirting the issue.

[SR]

Farrell: I wrote it about Casey, my girlfriend at the time, but I really wrote it about classic girls. I mean, listen — you can have a funny haircut, you can have a tattoo, you can have a belly piercing. It's all nice, but what I really love is a little turned-up-nose, pouty-lips shyness, you know? A classic girl.

At least he admits it now istead of skirting the issue.

Needling Etty. Things must be tense

[thoreau]

I would be floored if they ever work with Eric again. I just don't see it happening even for a RnRHoF induction. In fact, that would be a perfect chance for Perry to burn Eric by not letting him play with the band if they performed. I think at this point, Janes will continue to play sporadic small scale tours for the next few years and maybe cough out one more new album before they just quietly drift away. I don't know what is up with Eric, but it seems like he's more or less done creatively. I hope they all have been investing their money wisely to live on the next 30+ years.

I think that the idea of the RnRHoF would be enough to repel EA, let alone having Perry involved with it. With Eric's artistic and old school punk rock ethos seemingly intact (even to a fault, some may argue), I don't think he would see anything attractive to participating in the festivities.

[Mescal]

Album Sales

Guns N Roses Appetite for Destruction S 1987 - 29 500 000
Guns N Roses G N R Lies S 1988 - 10 000 000
Guns N Roses Use For Illusion I S 1991 - 17 000 000 +
Guns N Roses Use For Illusion II S 1991 - 18 000 000 +
Guns N Roses The Spaghetti Incident? C 1993 - 5 500 000 +
Guns N Roses Live Era: 87- 93 C 1999 - 2 500 000
Guns N Roses Greatest Hits C 2004 - 8 500 000

Even chinese something sold like 3 - 4 million copies.

We've been fortunate to be able to play everything from the smallest clubs to giant stadiums and huge outdoor audiences for a total of 185 shows in 48 countries, in 147 cities with approximately over 500 hours of stage time with an average full show time around three plus hours, performed for over 2,000,000 fans with our current lineup of DJ Ashba, Ron Bumblefoot Thal and Richard Fortus on guitars, Tommy Stinson on bass, Frank Ferrer on Drums and Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman on keyboards, worked with over 200 bands and artists from Motorhead to Black Label Society, shared bills with Elton John, Aerosmith, Rhianna, Queens Of The Stone Age and Metallica with minimal promotion, minimal to zero label support, minimal nonsense and often with serious management challenges.

So that's only year 2000 forward.

They played for like a gazillion other people from 1986 tot 1993 (too lazy too look up some facts)

So ok, Jane's paved the way, they're a cooler band, but Guns n Roses is infinitely bigger than Jane's, in album sales, attendance, notoriety. I heard Patience on the radio yesterday, Sweet child o Mine this morning ....
I think I heard Stop one time on the radio, few months ago. And maybe Been caught stealing long before that. (they probably get more airplay in America, but still).

And I heard Welcome to the Jungle and Paradise city on the radio today!

Are they reforming or anything.

Still no sign of a Jane's Addiction tune though

[Hokahey]

Farrell: I wrote it about Casey, my girlfriend at the time, but I really wrote it about classic girls. I mean, listen — you can have a funny haircut, you can have a tattoo, you can have a belly piercing. It's all nice, but what I really love is a little turned-up-nose, pouty-lips shyness, you know? A classic girl.

At least he admits it now istead of skirting the issue.

I thought about that as well. He used to pretend like Casey never existed. That seemed to change on the TGEA tour when suddenly he was allowed to play the songs related to her. I guess Etty finally gave the band permission to play those songs and acknowledge reality. I guess that's good, but it's pathetic it was ever any different.

[Romeo]

I'm glad for Casey actually. Because his insistence prior that "classic girl" was not about her undermined her importance or contribution to the band. And even if she acted like it didn't bother her I am sure as shit it did

[Hype]

Kevin's older brother in Home Alone was a GnR fan.

[Hype]

Conan O'Brien still uses Slash's face for URLs.

As much as I love JA, the cultural awareness of GnR is an order of magnitude higher, the precious few references to Dave Navarro in pop culture not withstanding (there's a good one in a Star Wars episode of Family Guy where the old pedophile guy gets into a club by claiming to be "a friend of Dave Navarro's"...)

There's also a Jane's Addiction reference in an American Dad episode, where a bowling team is named "Lanes Addiction" and if I remember correctly Lanes was written in the Jane's font. Guess McFarlane likes the band

Yeah I recall that episode too. Still, not anywhere close to the ubiquity of GnR.

[Pandemonium]

And I heard Welcome to the Jungle and Paradise city on the radio today!

Are they reforming or anything.

Still no sign of a Jane's Addiction tune though

Slash mentioned in an interview the last few days that he and Axl are now "friends" again after not talking to each other since about 1996. Everyone else in the original lineup (Duff, Izzy and Steven Adler) have played with GnR the last decade as guests at various shows and are obviously good with a reunion. The longtime rift between Slash and Axl was really the only remaining obstacle. Plus, it was recently confirmed that Axl let go (or they quit) at least Bumblefoot and DJ Ashba, two of the three guitarists in the band and there is no future shows booked. This has a lot of the GnR fanbase all fired up about an original (or semi-original) lineup reunion tour in the next couple years. But Axl is really the guy holding the keys - the ball is in his court whether it happens or not.

Regarding the issue of how Janes matches up in popularity and sales to GnR and how that would possibly hinder their eventual induction - that's a non-issue. The HoF has inducted numerous artists who in this day and age are relatively cult bands/figures like The Pretenders, Patti Smith and Tom Waits who never set the charts on fire with huge hit singles or record sales like a Gnr (or a Springsteen or U2). The HoF induction process is run by a bunch of old school industry insiders who pick their personal favorites every year. I mean, wtf, Green Day recently was inducted. The next few years, you'll see the HoF struggle to fill each year's ceremony with bands from the late 80's and 90's with the likes of The Cure, Sonic Youth, X and yes, Janes that were critical favorites from that era and who never burned their bridges with the industry.

[Hype]

The Cure has been around since '79 and has released excellent music every decade since. They've also maintained a much larger following than Jane's, and they've got both critical and mass appeal. EVERYONE knows several of their singles in a way that not everyone knows Jane's. Hell, at this point, Friday I'm In Love, Lovesong, etc., are basically elevator/dentist office music.

Green Day might be controversial, but their mass appeal was enormous during the early 2000s because of American Idiot. My parents know who Green Day is because they heard that album EVERYWHERE for a few years. They only know JA through me.