Aint No Right

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:15 am**

Perry presenting Lollapalooza 2003 was a moment that I realize something was changing... and not for the good.

Having vivid memory of an good old Perry leaving Lolla mid-90's because festival had lost original spirit and was too mainstream, creating a freaky Enit. After 7 year, I have to see Perry on a press conference talking about importance of sponsors in nowadays music...

Was the beginning of the end.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:01 am**

I don't think I've ever created a thread with two pages before. United by our disillusion!!!

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:17 am**

gobalee

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:18 am**

Everybody's Friend wrote:I don't think I've ever created a thread with two pages before. United by our disillusion!!!

When the band going downhill is discussed, this may go on to be a 16 page thread.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:27 am**

The day I signed up for a JA message board.

I stopped caring for them after I saw this show:

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:55 am**

My "awareness" of janes started around jubilee. Even with that limited exposure, it didn't take long to figure out that what they were doing then was kind of "off" compared to the og run and 97.

The final nail was really the Eric reunion not panning out. That was an opportunity to correct the misfires during '01-'03, because in hindsight, that was only two years out of the band's career. The side projects were shitty, but hey, it was all uncharted territory. The reunion was a clean slate. After Eric (rightfully) bailed, that's when things REALLY fell apart in my eyes.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:24 am**

Jane's Addiction was done after 1991

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:08 pm**

bman wrote:I hated 01 - Satellite Party. I actually think there's still a couple of good songs on Satellite Party's cd. I like The Solutionists, Milky Avenue, and Insanity Rains.

If it wasn't already obvious that you're an extremely weird person, now there aren't any doubts.

You hated Satellite Party.

You think there are a couple of good songs on their CD. As a side note, let's remember that album's name: "ULTRA PAYLOADED."

You proceed to name three [horrible] songs that you like from the album of the band you hate, which are also deemed by you good enough to have been Porno For Pyros' songs.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:40 pm**

Six7Six7 wrote:
Thenshedid... wrote:
Now it's just the Perry and Etty show. I read what you guys say about her in that Etty's Deep Thoughts thread and I laugh even though it's so mean, because she just brings it on herself.
They both bring it on themselves. If they made poor choices, but were cool humble people I think they would get a lot more leeway.

The fact that they are both complete and utter douchebags, and liars, and love to rub their wealth and vacations in the faces of people around them (while simultaneously talking about how hard their lives are), and treat service industry people like shit, it doesn't make it hard to laugh at them when they fall flat on their face.

I'm not disagreeing with you or anything. Her Twitter posts are incredibly pompous and self-entitled, and it's clear as glass she's the poster child for gold diggers everywhere. The fact that Perry looks like a middle-aged lesbian is nothing to brag about either

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:41 pm**

Yep. I hated the era of 01 - Satellite Party. That being said, I think SP had a couple of decent tunes. Insanity Rains is a little spark plug. The Solutionists is very cool and Milky Ave is ok. Those three and Admit I, plus Agua would have fit ok on a GGU follow up record. What's weird about that?

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:45 pm**

Romeo wrote:
Thenshedid... wrote:Strays was the beginning of the end for me. That's when it started becoming apparent that it was the Perry Farrell show, and not about Jane's Addiction. That horribly overproduced album of cock rock that sound a lot better in the demo stages

Now it's just the Perry and Etty show. I read what you guys say about her in that Etty's Deep Thoughts thread and I laugh even though it's so mean, because she just brings it on herself. I've never seen two people just believe so hard that they're relevant to today's scene, whatever that even is anymore. I remember when Pitchfork did their Worst Album Cover of 2007 list and they had the Satellite Party cover on there. It said something like "Finally...the debut from Native American Smurf" and I laughed pretty hard at that
Dave?

Eric

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:20 pm**

bman wrote:Yep. I hated the era of 01 - Satellite Party. That being said, I think SP had a couple of decent tunes. Insanity Rains is a little spark plug. The Solutionists is very cool and Milky Ave is ok. Those three and Admit I, plus Agua would have fit ok on a GGU follow up record. What's weird about that?

Much of SYTBS sounds like a direct follow-up to GGU. If the lyrics were not steeped in pseudo-religious nonsense (although some were still good), it could have been a great record instead of an interesting curiosity. It was 20-30% crap.

Strays was 70-80% crap

Satellite Party was 99% dog shit.

TGEA was 80-90% crap

And yes, if you took the Perry from the TGEA tour, and added the band from '09, and then squinted really hard, you would have had a reasonable approximation of what Jane's at this age should have looked like. But Perry at NINJA was an embarrassment.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:16 pm**

looks like a middle-aged lesbian

I laughed out loud, Sir. OUT. LOUD.

(Knew it was over after '91 [no Eric = no Mighty JA], but saw them at Fiddler's Green here in Colorado in '03, Perry grinding on some stage props in a pseudo-sexual simulation that had me do a face palm while the rest of the "barking dog song" people lapped it up. Like seeing someone you loved post-mortem, I wish I never went and had my memories of when it was only good).

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:39 pm**

By the way, i just saw a tweet from Chris Cornell pushing AMEX for his solo tour. Sadly Eddie Vedder is the only cool one left. But Perry still tries hard and mist shows i still see people leaving saying that was the best show they have ever seen. Go ser these shows bc Perry at 56 with perk and n Dave n Chaney is still pretty awesome.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:41 pm**

By the way, i just saw a tweet from Chris Cornell pushing AMEX for his solo tour. Sadly Eddie Vedder is the only cool one left. But Perry still tries hard and moist shows i still see people leaving saying that was the best show they have ever seen. Go see these shows bc Perry at 56 with perk and n Dave n Chaney is still pretty awesome.

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:21 pm**

I'm never posting from my phone again! Don't hold my typos against me!

Posted: **Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:39 pm**

bman wrote:By the way, i just saw a tweet from Chris Cornell pushing AMEX for his solo tour. Sadly Eddie Vedder is the only cool one left. But Perry still tries hard and moist shows i still see people leaving saying that was the best show they have ever seen. Go see these shows bc Perry at 56 with perk and n Dave n Chaney is still pretty awesome.

Was he pushing Amex, or just informing everyone about an Amex presale?

Amex users always get first dibs at Ticketmaster tickets.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:25 am**

Thenshedid... wrote:
Romeo wrote:
Thenshedid... wrote:Strays was the beginning of the end for me. That's when it started becoming apparent that it was the Perry Farrell show, and not about Jane's Addiction. That horribly overproduced album of cock rock that sound a lot better in the demo stages

Now it's just the Perry and Etty show. I read what you guys say about her in that Etty's Deep Thoughts thread and I laugh even though it's so mean, because she just brings it on herself. I've never seen two people just believe so hard that they're relevant to today's scene, whatever that even is anymore. I remember when Pitchfork did their Worst Album Cover of 2007 list and they had the Satellite Party cover on there. It said something like "Finally...the debut from Native American Smurf" and I laughed pretty hard at that
Dave?

Eric

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:30 am**

Six7Six7 wrote:
bman wrote:By the way, i just saw a tweet from Chris Cornell pushing AMEX for his solo tour. Sadly Eddie Vedder is the only cool one left. But Perry still tries hard and moist shows i still see people leaving saying that was the best show they have ever seen. Go see these shows bc Perry at 56 with perk and n Dave n Chaney is still pretty awesome.

Was he pushing Amex, or just informing everyone about an Amex presale?

Amex users always get first dibs at Ticketmaster tickets.

it was AMEX pre-sale

I just received a email from ticketmaster.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:16 am**

Cornell jumped the shark when he did that album with Timbaland.

Vedder did the same when they did a Target commercial and for charging obscene ticket prices on his solo tour (albeit both are somewhat understandable considering the state of the industry).

There is no one cool left except maybe Zach De La Rocha. His track on the new Run the Jewels was fire.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:39 am**

hokahey wrote:Cornell jumped the shark when he did that album with Timbaland.

Agreed.

Vedder did the same when they did a Target commercial

They didn't have a record deal. So they cut a deal that Target would be the physical seller of their album. Hardly a sellout move. They just put themselves in the position to make most of the profits rather than a record company.

and for charging obscene ticket prices on his solo tour (albeit both are somewhat understandable considering the state of the industry).

Pearl Jam has been charging 75 - 80 bucks a ticket for a good decade now. They play a 2.5 - 3 hour set though.

So if bands who play 90 minutes are charging 60, and they are charging 80 to play twice as long... it's actually quite reasonable.

There is no one cool left except maybe Zach De La Rocha. His track on the new Run the Jewels was fire.

I disagree.

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:55 am**

I do understand some business deals to sell music, like partnering with a retailer like Target. The music business ain't what it used to be so being creative is the only way to actually make money.

But shilling your band to say....coppertone, is to me selling out

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:10 pm**

hokahey wrote: His track on the new Run the Jewels was fire.

is that what the kids say these days? i guess that means it was good?

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:49 pm**

Romeo wrote:I do understand some business deals to sell music, like partnering with a retailer like Target. The music business ain't what it used to be so being creative is the only way to actually make money.

But shilling your band to say....coppertone, is to me selling out

I agree with business deals and I'll even say car commercials and Mountain Song for Coors light ain't bad either. Musicians should get paid. If it were Morissey selling a song for a McDonalds commercial or Neil Young selling a song to a Monsanto commercial I'd say sellout but if you're the Dead Boys and some car company will pay you for Sonic Reducer..awesome, I'm sure they've all driven a car before. I'm sure Perry's had a beer.

As far as ticket prices, I hate to say it, I agree with 67. I'm not a Pearl Jam fan, but a 2-3 hour show for 80 bucks is a fucking steal compared to NS + 3 songs for 125!

Posted: **Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:45 pm**

The last time I saw Pearl Jam they played for 3 hours and 20 minutes.

I paid 75 dollars for the ticket.

No one who is paying 60 bucks (or 125 bucks) for a Jane's Addiction ticket can tell me that is an expensive ticket.

Jane's Addiction would have to play 3 shows to play as long, and as many songs, and PJ did in one.

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