Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Meeting

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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Larry B. » Sun May 31, 2015 1:24 pm

Six7Six7 wrote:
Pandemonium wrote:
Six7Six7 wrote:Yeah those Beatles guys really need to update their equipment.


Then they'd just be U2.


Dear god, I don't even want to know what it would sound like if those hippies had access to digital delay.


Not bad at all, actually. At least not Lennon:

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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Six7Six7 » Sun May 31, 2015 4:20 pm

Fucking Tame Impala. :banghead:
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Mescal » Sun May 31, 2015 10:25 pm

Six7Six7 wrote:Fucking Tame Impala. :banghead:


I liked their first album, it got pretty boring pretty fast after that
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Hype » Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:00 am

Mescal wrote:
Six7Six7 wrote:Fucking Tame Impala. :banghead:


I liked their first album, it got pretty boring pretty fast after that


That's because they aren't called "Wild Impala". :kv:
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby panicparty » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:25 am

The Beatles: A pretty big deal back in the day, but nowadays people are listening to their music and a lot of them are wondering what the big deal is? How are / were people so passionate about music which is maybe great in places, but pretty weak a lot of the rest of the time?

Well, maybe it's not actually that much about the music itself? Maybe it's about that band, at that moment in time and the cultural impact they had? Maybe it could have been any one of a number of bands doing what they were doing at the time, but they were the four guys who found themselves in right place, at the right time and what they did, with what (maybe somewhat limited) talent they had, just struck a chord with the kids at the right moment.

Listening to the music on its own, without the context in which it arose, is maybe ultimately futile? You'll never "get" the Beatles unless you lived through that period in history, and experienced what the Beatles brought against a backdrop of what was available on the radio and in the record stores before they brought it?

Maybe some or all of the above also applies to Jane's Addiction? (oops, sorry to bring things back 'on topic')?
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Hype » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:46 am

panicparty wrote:The Beatles: A pretty big deal back in the day, but nowadays people are listening to their music and a lot of them are wondering what the big deal is? How are / were people so passionate about music which is maybe great in places, but pretty weak a lot of the rest of the time?

Well, maybe it's not actually that much about the music itself? Maybe it's about that band, at that moment in time and the cultural impact they had? Maybe it could have been any one of a number of bands doing what they were doing at the time, but they were the four guys who found themselves in right place, at the right time and what they did, with what (maybe somewhat limited) talent they had, just struck a chord with the kids at the right moment.

Listening to the music on its own, without the context in which it arose, is maybe ultimately futile? You'll never "get" the Beatles unless you lived through that period in history, and experienced what the Beatles brought against a backdrop of what was available on the radio and in the record stores before they brought it?

Maybe some or all of the above also applies to Jane's Addiction? (oops, sorry to bring things back 'on topic')?


The difference is that "Beatlemania" was a worldwide obsession for over a decade, and their effect on pop culture is massive. Jane's Addiction is a pop culture footnote, even if Lollapalooza survives another five years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatle ... ar_culture

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... mbers.html

Popularity doesn't imply musical talent, of course. But these claims about not being able to "get" something unless you lived through it are probably overstated. Lots of people, including myself, "got" Jane's Addiction a decade after they broke up the first time... Lots of people get Elvis or the Beatles or Schumann or Mozart or whoever. The fact that some people are ignorant and literally don't know the history of these people AND they also happen not to think they're great doesn't matter. As KV likes to say: taste is taste. But this isn't about taste, it's about objective things, like novelty, ingenuity, impact, etc. And the facts just don't support denying those things to the Beatles.
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Mescal » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:09 am

Ok, so maybe the Beatles had the impact, and were the right guys at the right time.

But they made some great songs. No denying that.

A few years ago I had their '1' compilation album, and without being a Beatles fan, I could sing along to all the songs on that album.

Then later I bought some of their albums and liked other, less popular songs.

They touched many bases and paved the way for many bands to come. That's why they're still so popular.

Like KV (or panda) said. One half of the White Album is really great (dear Prudence, blackbird, Julia, Guitar gently weeps, happiness warm gun, etc, etc) the other half is horrible (obla di, obla da - and all the others)

And Hey Jude most be one of their cheesiest and most horrible songs.

So yeah, can't really dislike the Beatles, but they're not my favourite band
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Hype » Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:08 pm

I like Hey Jude because it was a lullaby for me -- it's treacly, and it's a simple vocal, but it's a pretty complex composition as far as pop songs go. The Simpsons made fun of this baby-music thing later (the Boomers were my generation's parents, so of course Beatles, Zeppelin, Rolling Stones would become lullabies...), literally answering the question "Who are the Beatles?" as "They wrote all those songs on Maggie's baby-albums." :lol:

This is like, if Bob Dylan could sing:
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby kv » Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:20 pm

Adurentibus Spina wrote: As KV likes to say: taste is taste. But this isn't about taste, it's about objective things, like novelty, ingenuity, impact, etc. And the facts just don't support denying those things to the Beatles.

Amen...writing off the Beatles as some other generations thing is like doing the same to Shakespeare

Massively uninformed
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Six7Six7 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:38 pm

kv wrote:
Adurentibus Spina wrote: As KV likes to say: taste is taste. But this isn't about taste, it's about objective things, like novelty, ingenuity, impact, etc. And the facts just don't support denying those things to the Beatles.

Amen...writing off the Beatles as some other generations thing is like doing the same to Shakespeare

Massively uninformed


I hope my kids don't write off Oasis.

Oasis is fucking awesome
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Hype » Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:04 pm

Pretty sure the relevant comparison would be Nirvana... But yeah...

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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Six7Six7 » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:44 pm

I don't find Nirvana to be all that great.
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Bandit72 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:46 am

kv wrote:
Adurentibus Spina wrote: As KV likes to say: taste is taste. But this isn't about taste, it's about objective things, like novelty, ingenuity, impact, etc. And the facts just don't support denying those things to the Beatles.



Agreed. But the point is, they are not EXCLUSIVE to the Beatles. Huge difference.
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby kv » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:19 am

That's absurd...thats like discrediting Henry Ford because now there are tons of other auto makers
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Bandit72 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:23 am

No it isn't. Because he was only the second person to start the motor car process. Music involving novelty, ingenuity and impact didn't start in the 1960's.
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby kv » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:57 am

All I can do is laugh
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Bandit72 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:36 am

Fair enough. Probably because you haven't got an answer.
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

Postby Bandit72 » Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:36 am

Fair enough. Probably because you haven't got an answer.
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Re: Perry Farrell Talks New Mystery Project, Kurt Cobain Mee

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