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Doneleviticus wrote:Was typing fast as my boss was approaching. Sorry for the typo in "Bollboard" can that be fixed?
hokahey wrote:I can't copy and paste the article for some reason.
Billboard.com wrote:Two dozen people crammed into Eldorado, the Burbank, Calif., recording studio where Jane's Addiction spent most of 2011 to listen to their fourth studio effort, "The Great Escape Artist," on Thursday evening (Sept. 8).
Played loud but not deafening on PMC equipment that included two six-foot-tall speakers, producer Rich Costey introduced the evening by saying the album got its "sea legs" with bassist Duff McKagan, who departed and was replaced by Dave Sitek. Three tracks written with McKagan -- "Broken People," Words Right Out of My Mouth," "Ultimate Reason" -- are on the album.
Costey said Sitek provided a kick in the pants to the band and it shows up in terms of their sound gaining greater density throughout the 10-song, 40-minute album. "End to the Lies" and "Ultimate Reason" hew closest to the standard Jane's Addiction sound, but they venture into harder edged rock ("Words Right Out of My Mouth" and "Twisted Tales"), U2-inspired melody and chiming guitars ("Broken People") and a track driven by fat and echoey Dave Navarro guitar riffs that would make a great James Bond theme ("I'll Hit You Back").
While Eldorado is in a different location than when the first two Jane's Addiction albums were recorded, much of the equipment remains the same, including the mixing board. Very much a studio effort, while songs were being written in one room, recording was taking place in another, according to manager Peter Katsis of Prospect Park.
The listening session, with Katsis, Costey, about 10 journalists, a few representatives from Capitol/EMI and publicity firm MSO, was a bit of a top secret affair -- all cell phones were off during the playback and no one dared take any pictures.
Talk about the record, though, focused on the development of the first single "Irresistible Force" (Watch the video at right), which moved up two spaces to No. 23 this week on the Billboard Rock Songs chart. Katsis said a second single will come out around the time of the album's release, set for Oct. 18, but there is no decision yet on which song will foot the bill.
As for a full-blown tour, that won't happen until early next year at the earliest though a few dates in select markets and festival gigs are likely in 2011.
dooooooom"End to the Lies" and "Ultimate Reason" hew closest to the standard Jane's Addiction sound
I can think of absolute masterpieces that are head and shoulders above either Porno For Pyros album in quality, that are also far shorter than them.bman wrote:Both P4P records were under 40 minutes!
Ritual and NS were both around 45 minutes if I'm not mistaken.Tyler Durden wrote:I can think of absolute masterpieces that are head and shoulders above either Porno For Pyros album in quality, that are also far shorter than them.bman wrote:Both P4P records were under 40 minutes!
The point is, Jane's Addiction traditionally has been relatively synonymous with long, "epic" songs, unlike Porno For Pyros.
Doom, based on that? I think a lot of us have said that we don't want these guys trying to sound like old Jane's, because it will only make for an unflattering comparison. More worrisome is what follows:kv wrote:dooooooom"End to the Lies" and "Ultimate Reason" hew closest to the standard Jane's Addiction sound
Which seems to imply that the harder-edged rock they venture into is further from Jane's 1.0 than ETTL, which means that it's probably cock rock.
"End to the Lies" and "Ultimate Reason" hew closest to the standard Jane's Addiction sound, but they venture into harder edged rock ("Words Right Out of My Mouth" and "Twisted Tales"
Is it possible that there is something on here even more U2-y than IF?U2-inspired melody and chiming guitars ("Broken People")
I don't feel like getting into an argument over semantics. But the point is, one of the MAJOR criticisms (along with overly slick production) was the lack of long, "epic" songs.hokahey wrote:Ritual and NS were both around 45 minutes if I'm not mistaken.Tyler Durden wrote:I can think of absolute masterpieces that are head and shoulders above either Porno For Pyros album in quality, that are also far shorter than them.bman wrote:Both P4P records were under 40 minutes!
The point is, Jane's Addiction traditionally has been relatively synonymous with long, "epic" songs, unlike Porno For Pyros.
And Jane's was synomynous with long epic songs? I think those were always fan favorites, but I wouldn't say Jane's and "long songs" are synomonous.
Talk about splitting hairs. The same could be said for Led Zeppelin. Most of their songs are probably under 5 minutes...but they are also legendary for their LONG songs.bman wrote:Ted, Then She Did, Summertime and 3 days are the only epics.
Most Janes songs are 4 minutes or less.
Point being? Every real Jane's album has at least two epics. Is that what you're getting at? Don't forget that "Of Course" is just over seven minutes, longer than "Summertime Rolls," and pretty f'ing epic. "Obvious" is fairly lengthy as well, being only 23 seconds shorter than "Summertime Rolls."bman wrote:Ted, Then She Did, Summertime and 3 days are the only epics.
Most Janes songs are 4 minutes or less.
NS
"Up the Beach" – 3:00
"Ocean Size" – 4:20
"Had a Dad" – 3:44
"Ted, Just Admit It..." – 7:23
"Standing in the Shower... Thinking" – 3:03
"Summertime Rolls" – 6:18
"Mountain Song" – 4:03
"Idiots Rule" – 3:00
"Jane Says" – 4:52
"Thank You Boys" – 1:01
"Pig's in Zen" – 4:30
Out of 20 songs on the two JA 1.0 studio albums, eight are under four minutes (that's if we count "Thank You Boys") which hardly seems like "most." Looks like most are over four minutes.RDLH
"Stop!" – 4:14
"No One's Leaving" – 3:01
"Ain't No Right" – 3:34
"Obvious" – 5:55
"Been Caught Stealing" – 3:34
"Three Days" – 10:48
"Then She Did..." – 8:18
"Of Course" – 7:02
"Classic Girl" – 5:07
You'll love it, shitty songs or not.bman wrote:I have no problem with song lenth...I have problems with shitty songs! I hope this album is good whether it has an epic song or not.
Not mentioned in the billboard article, but not all tracks were.Other tracks will include "Irresistible Force," described by Navarro as having "some magic captured on it," and the lengthy "Splash a Little Water," which he termed "kinda ambient and cinematic."
Unfortunately there's nothing about the writers' nor anyone else's reaction to the new songs in the piece...
I suppose anything is possible in the respect that, we shouldn't put too much weight in what Billboard has to say regarding the album's length. What I mean is, 49 minutes = "40 minutes" to some music journalists.leviticus wrote:From a Reuters article a few months back:Not mentioned in the billboard article, but not all tracks were.Other tracks will include "Irresistible Force," described by Navarro as having "some magic captured on it," and the lengthy "Splash a Little Water," which he termed "kinda ambient and cinematic."