Good Gods Urge

[creep]

i have a recording somewhere where jane's played a little bit of it back in the day.

[NYRexall]

Don't a lot of Jane's fans dislike 'Freeway'? I always thought that was one of the most interesting tracks P4P did, along with 'Blood Rag', which was originally a Jane's song anyway

Is that confirmed? I always heard that, about blood rag, but where does it come from? Is it on a janes bootleg, did Eric say something....etc?

I have a couple of JA bootlegs where Dave is playing the riff to 'Blood Rag' as far back as 1989 (I think).

[blackula]

yes it's a jane's song

How much? I've always wondered that. I'm assuming the main bass/ drum part was an Eric Stephen thing. Everything else (lyrics, chorus,guitar parts, vocals) were put together in porno for pyros.

[creep]

from sdw

http://somediverswhistle.com/songs/otheru.html

From Jane's Xine...
Phil: Was there ever any Jane's material that was never released? Or stuff that was written, but never recorded?
Eric: At least some of Pornos record were songs we wrote in Janes but couldn't agree on recording or playing live. So to answer your question, yes.

Also from Jane's Xine...
Gavin: I know you played "Blood Rag" with Jane's back in early '89. Can you think of any other Jane's songs that have since become Porno songs?
Dave: Well, I know that "Bad Shit" was a Jane's groove, but never a fully written song. Also, that .25 song ("Packin' .25") was a groove we used to play from time to time....

From Trevor... (6/99)
"i went to the steve perkins drum clinic last night and as usual when i'm hanging with my man steve i asked him WAY too many questions beyond the point of being polite and steve being the cool guy he is answered every one of them. so which porno songs were janes songs steve says... perry and me used to jam on bad shit and packin 25 during soundcheck the other guys would allways take off i says ..... you mean perry actually played guitar steve says.... oh yeah i says ..... you mean perry actually wrote the bad shit riff steve says ..... oh yeah definitely well thats cool and of coarse there was blood rag but other than that, absolutely no other songs were old janes tunes"

Jane's played "Blood Rag" live occasionally during the middle of "Pigs In Zen" from around February '89 to April '89.
I don't know of any live performances of "Packin' .25", but Dave played a quick bit of "Bad Shit" at a February '89 show in Trenton, NJ. These three songs were later finished by Porno For Pyros and released on their first album in 1993.
"Hard Charger" was supposedly conceived during JA's heyday as well. (At a show in Rhode Island in 1990, Perry said "I'm a hard charger" for some reason. And at a show in Ottawa '89, Perry introduced Eric as "that hard charger, himself." But "hard charger" is a surfing term, so that might not mean much.) It was later recorded by P4P with Dave Navarro and Flea for Howard Stern's Private Parts movie soundtrack in '97. But it's still disputed when it was written. Perry said he wrote it specifically for Howard's movie.. And when asked about his involvement with the song, Dave said "I simply helped record it......about three-four hours work at best"... so that would suggest it couldn't have been a Jane's tune originally.

Also.. though not a Jane's Addiction song but conceived during that time, "Orgasm" was written by Perry and Peter DiStefano when the two met while vacationing in Mexico in 1990. Two years later they formed Porno For Pyros and recorded the song for their first album.

[blackula]

Right on, I posted at the same time as the last couple of posts. DN playing the guitar part on a Janes boot completely kills my earlier theory.

[LJF]

Not to sound all hippy, but both albums are just different trips. I love both of them. The first one brings the gritty jerking off in the riots crack smoking perry while the next brings out the trippy pot smoking surfer perry.

Having missed 1.0 and not seeing jane's live until relapse, the 7 or 8 porno for pyros shows I saw were some of the best times of my life. Enit at pnc arts center was one of the most amazing shows I've been to.

I agree on both albums, they are both excellent with such different vibes. Enit was a good show, I got to meet Perry at show. Quick chat which was nice.

[NYRexall]

I thought I heard somewhere a long while back that 'Bad Shit' started out as a Jane's idea.

The song is quality for its lyrics alone. Absolute goofy nonsense, and that "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah aaaah aaaah aaaaaaaaaah!" Perry does during the breakdown is hilarious.

[farrellgirl99]

I still remember I went on vacation and bought both albums at the same time to listen to on the trip, as i was just getting into perry. that was some trippy shit to listen to in the woods when you were 13 (even w/o drugs ). Porpoise Head always blew my mind

[clickie]

.. good gods and pfp both have clunkers

Theres clunkers on that first pfp cd? I ain't ever heard em'.

[Juana]

Not to sound all hippy, but both albums are just different trips. I love both of them. The first one brings the gritty jerking off in the riots crack smoking perry while the next brings out the trippy pot smoking surfer perry.

Having missed 1.0 and not seeing jane's live until relapse, the 7 or 8 porno for pyros shows I saw were some of the best times of my life. Enit at pnc arts center was one of the most amazing shows I've been to.

I agree on both albums, they are both excellent with such different vibes. Enit was a good show, I got to meet Perry at show. Quick chat which was nice.

Yeah I like the vibe of GGU more I guess. The first record was great too but the just total different feel from the first makes it stick out and seem more like they were going on an adventure on this record with the change of sound.

As for Freeway that is my favorite P4P song when he is talking about being "so jealous" its just perfect.

[blackula]

I still remember I went on vacation and bought both albums at the same time to listen to on the trip, as i was just getting into perry. that was some trippy shit to listen to in the woods when you were 13 (even w/o drugs ). Porpoise Head always blew my mind

It's cool too that this was on the verge of the Internet age. I didn't know that they had a new record coming out, I heard an "exclusive, first listen" on the radio of Tahitian moon and I ran to the record store. This record was kind of a find it or don't type of album. I don't remember any sort of marketing.

[JOEinPHX]

Unfortunately, PFP's self-titled, being released so soon after Jane's demise, just seemed like Jane's Lite.

The difference with GGU, is that with their change in musical direction it kind of got it's own identity. It was no longer just another rock band lead by Perry Farrell, it became it's own thing.

I like GGU over PFP because there is no possible way to compare it to Jane's Addiction. It's just on a whole different level.

[Juana]

I like GGU over PFP because there is no possible way to compare it to Jane's Addiction. It's just on a whole different level.

This makes a lot of sense thinking about it. Especially since some of the first album were originally Janes songs. It did feel like discovering a new band listening to this compared to JA and P4P s/t.

[clickie]

I feel like what it all comes down to is the hardcore Janes fans prefer the first pfp cd, and all the younger mellow generation love GGU.

[Juana]

I feel like what it all comes down to is the hardcore Janes fans prefer the first pfp cd, and all the younger mellow generation love GGU.

Yes and no though because Jane's and a few others are the only "rock" type bands I listen to the rest is old hardcore/thrash and some hiphop.

[kv]

I feel like what it all comes down to is the hardcore Janes fans prefer the first pfp cd, and all the younger mellow generation love GGU.

exactly...for the most part

[nestos]

Weird, I don't remember so many people being cool with this album.

GGU is arguably my favorite Jane's-relayed music. It's a 10/10 for me. I have more of a connection with it than I do with NS and Ritual!

(...)

At first listen, I thought it was underwhelming, but then it became my summer soundtrack. None of my friends liked it, but I loved it and to this day it's one of my favorite albums of all time. Tracks that took the longest to grow on me were "Thick of it All" and "Wishing Well". Later I would think those tracks were superb, so it then became a perfect album to me.

I completely agree on that.

[trevor ayer]

Pete's a pretty classy guitar player. But Navarro could have been -- and almost was -- one of the greats. That's why he is so frustrating. As to the "squealy notes," I think Trevor is referring to the awesome pinch harmonics on stuff like "Had a Dad," which are very much based in the metal lead traditions, but in no way invalidate DN's technical and emotive capability on the instrument.

The fact of the matter is that the solo in "Three Days" alone -- with its liquid metal fusion of Jerry Garcia, Jimi Hendrix and Jimmy Page -- is enough to qualify Navarro for the pantheon of great players.

I like GGU. I was disappointed with the s/t, as I was among those coming down from the JA 1.0 rush. By GGU, I'd more or less accepted the fact that the Jane's I loved was never coming back. Also, I enjoyed the vibey kush sounds that they were getting into. But probably good they stopped before they became a lightly psychedelic version of Jack Johnson.

Dave is a great player .. I was referring more to filler fast lead runs he put all over a few of the songs that go nowhere and mostly have no melody or point what so ever .. I really love the spread record and Dave does some great stuff on other Jane's songs, but I don't think it is his nature to play great guitar leads. Dave admitted that Perry was his biggest influence on Guitar back then. Perry did not want blues solos all over the goth art metal they were forging and encouraged Dave to pull out more of an anti-solo whenever possible ... MT. Song is good example of a a song Perry clearly said "do not play anything that sounds like a normal guitar solo" .. I do believe that idea was ingrained back in the day with Dave and he pulled it off really great on a lot of songs .. NS is plagued with quite a few songs with typical Metal Solo diarrhea all over it .. with some great stuff by Dave too .. I don't think tasteful playing came natural do Dave back then tho, not like it does with Pete. Pete clearly comes more from classic rock of Zep and Stooges, whereas Dave likes the cheezy metal and Perry had to beat it out of him .. Dave was inclined to join GNR after Jane's and Perry actually called him and berated him out of it .. I also felt Dave kinda ruined Summertime Rolls on the Relapse tour .. something was missing in his playing .. it seemed more bluesy and much less psychedelic than the classic era live performances .. it seemed like some of the anti soloing mentality had worn off by then .. Daves work on TGEA was great tho .. perry really ruined that record .. and whomever told Perk not to play drums on that record .. I will admit I am kinda picky .. but flea ruined the relapse for me .. plucking all those pick based basslines is like blasphemy in my book and it really killed the feel of a lot of the tunes .. tho I thought his work on kettle was pretty decent .. so yeah .. Dave has some great moments .. but Pete has a bit more class .. I was even surprised to see Hard Charger live and realize Dave was doing the shitty boring guitar solo and Pete did the one that kicked ass ..

[trevor ayer]

this is my fav version of janes doing blood rag http://trevorayer.bandcamp.com/track/pi ... a-2-8-1989

when pfp came out everybody was saying "wheres the bass? why do the drums sound so thin?" but steve actually loves the sound of pfp drums way more than on the janes record .. and even tho janes was great and i even thought at the time that pfp sounded weak, now i kinda see steves point and the janes drums sound a bit "def leppard" imo .. oh and weak songs on pfp would be cursed male, badshit, sadness, pfp .. none of those do it for me at all .. i do love when pete sang bad shit with hellride .. sounded awesome .. and a little sadness is fucking brilliant .. as is the rest of the pfp record ..

[clickie]

this is my fav version of janes doing blood rag http://trevorayer.bandcamp.com/track/pi ... a-2-8-1989

.. oh and weak songs on pfp would be cursed male, badshit, sadness, pfp

I love those songs theyre all outstanding except pfp. It bothers me because the songs name is the same as the bands name. They couldve gotten a little more creative.

[farrellgirl99]

Not to sound all hippy, but both albums are just different trips. I love both of them. The first one brings the gritty jerking off in the riots crack smoking perry while the next brings out the trippy pot smoking surfer perry.

Having missed 1.0 and not seeing jane's live until relapse, the 7 or 8 porno for pyros shows I saw were some of the best times of my life. Enit at pnc arts center was one of the most amazing shows I've been to.

I agree on both albums, they are both excellent with such different vibes. Enit was a good show, I got to meet Perry at show. Quick chat which was nice.

Yeah I like the vibe of GGU more I guess. The first record was great too but the just total different feel from the first makes it stick out and seem more like they were going on an adventure on this record with the change of sound.

As for Freeway that is my favorite P4P song when he is talking about being "so jealous" its just perfect.

I also love Freeway. Definitely one of my favorites. Also love that opening bass line.

I need to listen to P4P again. I haven't given those albums a good listen in a long time

[clickie]

PFP's PFP by a Darwin finch nose. Likely do to Cursed Female...my favorite song of theirs.

Thats a fantastic song...blew my mind a little bit when perry said thats a chick in the video.

[kv]

you didn't know that the first time you saw the video? were you young when it came out?

[trevor ayer]

you didn't know that the first time you saw the video? were you young when it came out?

no .. just never saw it till like a few years ago .. i didn't watch much tv after college for about 10 years but i did have to have the song

[cricket_bows]

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