Why are these the same?!

[Matz]

tool fucking sucks

I don't even know what they sound like. I've somehow managed to avoid them all these years and not deliberately. I think I'll go listen to a couple of tracks and form an opinion

i don't think they suck....i was just trying to start another dumb argument. they do bore me though and i don't listen to them. six7 is all gay for them too so i'm sure he will let you know how good they are.

Do you like the earlier stuff that's more punk/alt influenced? Opiate?

This song just sounds like a heavier JA song:


Or Hush?

I like Opiate a lot, very interesting piece of music, not feeling Hush so much. But I've only listened them once so that can change. They're pretty bass happy as Creep says, but I think in Opiate that approach works great.

The singer (I know it's that Maynard guy from APC) made me think of Steve Isaacs for some reason don't know if it's the tone or phrasing or what. Well, maybe that's a silly observation, it's late over here and I'm hammered.

I'll definitely listen to some more of this

[Hype]

My favourite song:

[trevor ayer]

i saw tool 2 nights in a row opening for rollins band at cbgbs .. they were touring opiate .. which is a pretty fuckin good record .. and at least half of undertow is pretty fuckin good too .. lost interest after that .. but those early records .. if janes had come out with a record sounding like that after ritual .. holy fuck!

[JOEinPHX]

tool fucking sucks

I don't even know what they sound like. I've somehow managed to avoid them all these years and not deliberately. I think I'll go listen to a couple of tracks and form an opinion

i don't think they suck....i was just trying to start another dumb argument. they do bore me though and i don't listen to them. six7 is all gay for them too so i'm sure he will let you know how good they are.

I'm not gay for Tool at all.

I like Tool. Opiate is too metal for me. Undertow is decent. I love Aenima from start to finish. Lateralus, I felt, was a little on the long side. It seemed like they obnoxiously jammed out the songs for a long time just to do it, rather than to suit the song. So I am just kind of OK with that album. But I am not a huge fan of 10,000 days. Seemed to just tread the same ground that Lateralus did.

I saw them on the Aenima tour and they were amazing. Caught them twice for Lateralus back in 2001 and they were just ok. The whole "standing in the dark, not moving, not talking to the crowd" thing is a real bummer. I haven't seen them since and probably never will again.

I am however quite gay for A Perfect Circle. I've seen those guys 7 times, with every lineup the band has had. I think they are amazing and can largely do no wrong. I will continue to shell out money to see them in the future.

Puscifer is very good too. I like them more than Tool as well. Only caught them once so far, but the live band were all hired from Billy Howerdel's solo band, and they are excellent. I would see them again.

But Tool... nah. If you own Aenima, you own their best album and there hasn't been anything they did prior, or after, that even compares.

[kv]

ya you don't care what people think

[JOEinPHX]

Are you talking to me?

[kv]

i think i was a page back wtf lol no not you carry on

[farrellgirl99]

I also like apc and puscifer more than tool because i am hardly ever in the mood for tool. but i dont think maynard can do any wrong talk about a guy who's still putting out quality music 20+ years later

[JOEinPHX]

It's a good thing Trent and Maynard are still churning out amazing music. That way Perry can put them on Lollapalooza and say "look what a genius I am!"

[Japhy]

Are we on Tool now? Are they better than STP? Worse than Pearl Jam? Where are Gogol Bordello in all of this... equal best? Is this even the same thread where the same discussion was had a week or so ago? Not that i care at all (as does no fucker else) but didn't Jane's v.600 play a show the other night... shouldn't we be giving that a little coverage... i mean, they might have played a new song or something, something killer sounding like "i got the handbag-buying tequila blues"... that would be sick.

I'll check back in a few days... please ensure that the very same conversation is being had. I'm going back to the Game of Thrones thread so that i can keep bang up to date with a show that i've never watched one second of. Actually, scrap that, i'm going straight back to the Kate Upton thread

[JOEinPHX]

Tool are definitely better than STP. Bigger too. Both musically and just from a performance standpoint. But that largely has to do with the fact that Weiland is a fucking junkie mess who forgets words and can hardly sing anymore. I wouldn't even put them in the same league.

As far as comparisons to Pearl Jam... They are probably almost on equal footing. Both are still selling a hell of alot of records to their devoted fanbase, and a hit song on radio easily will get the rest of the music-buying public on board. They both sell out arenas. They both headline festivals all over the world.

Gogol Bordello? The cool new thing of 2011 who still haven't done shit? Yeah let's give them another 2 years to be replaced by the next big thing before we start talking about them in the midst of legends.

[mockbee]

Thanks guys.......

This was a good use of 15 minutes...... man. You guys never bore me!

I'm canceling my cable now, this is much cheaper...... [hmmmmmm... damn baseball channel...............psssst..... mxxxlplxxx... is there anyway to get Comcast Sportsnet ....uh............ without Comcast????? thx.]

[Juana]

We try to entertain and derail everything

[Hype]

Gogol Bordello? The cool new thing of 2011 who still haven't done shit? Yeah let's give them another 2 years to be replaced by the next big thing before we start talking about them in the midst of legends.

... They're not even close to the same league as big arena-rock bands, but they don't want to be... they do gypsy punk and they do it fucking well. I've seen them twice... the second time is by far the best show I've ever been in (not just seen, but fucking destroyed). They tour like crazy and their music is consistently what it is. Percussive strumming is fucking difficult, and the use of violin and traditional gypsy melody is great imho.

They've also been around since the late 90s, and the singer has been in three great indie movies (Everything Is Illuminated was the biggest, a GREAT book by Jonathan Safran Foer, and a good version of it for the movie; he was also in Madonna's movie "Filth and Wisdom", and he did the music for "Wristcutters: A Love Story").

[Xizen47]

Yet they

still haven't done shit?

[Hype]

Yet they

still haven't done shit?

Great scene where the other band members play a folk band (the translator in the movie is the singer; the movie is from 2005):

[Xizen47]

Look at all this nothing since 2011! I mean Jesus,, what the hell do they do all day?

Wed, Jul 18th '12 Zurich Switzerland Komplex
Tue, Jul 17th '12 Feldkirch Austria Poolbar Festival
Sat, Jul 14th '12 Padova Italy Sherwood Festival
Fri, Jul 13th '12 Sgonico Trieste Italy Borgo Grotta Gigante
Thu, Jul 12th '12 Milan Italy Carroponte
Tue, Jul 10th '12 Turin Italy Colonia Sonora
Mon, Jul 9th '12 Argeles sur mer France Les Déferlantes
Sat, Jul 7th '12 Madrid Spain Rock in Rio
Fri, Jul 6th '12 Barcelona Spain Festival Cruïlla Barcelona
Wed, Jul 4th '12 Gdynia Poland Open’er Festival
Sun, Jul 1st '12 Brussels Belgium Couleur Cafe Festival
Sat, Jun 30th '12 Istanbul Turkey Mono Festival
Fri, Jun 29th '12 Zagreb Croatia INmusic Festival
Thu, Jun 28th '12 Novo Mesto Slovenia Rock Otočec
Sat, Jun 9th '12 Aspen/Snowmass, CO United States Snowmass Chili Pepper & Brew Fest
Sat, Jun 2nd '12 Montclair, NJ United States Wellmont Theatre
Fri, Jun 1st '12 Boston, MA United States Bank of America Pavilion
Thu, May 31st '12 Portland, ME United States State Theatre
Mon, May 28th '12 Montreal, QC Canada Metropolis
Sun, May 27th '12 Toronto Canada Sound Academy
Sat, May 26th '12 Detroit, MI United States The Fillmore Detroit
Fri, May 25th '12 Chillicothe, IL United States Summer Camp Festival
Wed, May 23rd '12 Columbus, OH United States Lifestyle Communities Pavilion (supporting Primus)
Tue, May 22nd '12 Pittsburgh United States Stage AE (supporting Primus)
Mon, May 21st '12 Charlotte, NC United States The Fillmore Charlotte
Sun, May 20th '12 Atlanta, GA United States Variety Playhouse
Sat, May 19th '12 Gulf Shores, AL United States Hangout Music Fest
Sun, Apr 8th '12 São Paulo Brazil Lollapalooza Brazil
Fri, Apr 6th '12 São Paulo Brazil Beco 203
Mon, Apr 2nd '12 Buenos Aires Argentina Groove
Sat, Mar 31st '12 Santiago Chile Lollapalooza Chile
Tue, Mar 27th '12 Guadalajara Mexico Teatro Estudio Cavaret
Sun, Mar 25th '12 Mexico City Mexico Vive Latino Festival
Sat, Mar 24th '12 Alajuela Costa Rica Festival Imperial
Thu, Mar 8th '12 Denver, CO United States Odgen Theater
Wed, Mar 7th '12 Boulder, CO United States Boulder Theatre
Sat, Dec 31st '11 New York, NY United States Terminal Five
Fri, Dec 30th '11 New York, NY United States Terminal Five
Tue, Dec 13th '11 Paris France Le Cabaret Sauvage – Acoustic show
Sat, Dec 10th '11 Rome Italy Orion – Acoustic show
Fri, Dec 9th '11 Padova Italy Gran Teatro Geox – Acoustic show
Thu, Dec 8th '11 Florence Italy Auditorium FLOG – Acoustic show
Wed, Dec 7th '11 Turin Italy Teatro Le Serre – Acoustic show
Fri, Dec 2nd '11 Kiev Ukraine Stereo Plaza – Acoustic show
Tue, Nov 29th '11 Chelyabinsk Russian Federation Park Inside Club – Acoustic show
Sun, Nov 27th '11 Krasnodar Russian Federation Premiera – Acoustic show
Fri, Nov 25th '11 Moscow Russian Federation Arena Moscow – Acoustic show
Wed, Nov 23rd '11 St. Petersburg Russian Federation Glav Club – Acoustic show
Mon, Nov 21st '11 Helsinki Finland Tavastia – Acoustic show
Sat, Nov 19th '11 Stockholm Sweden Kägelbanan – Acoustic show
Fri, Nov 18th '11 London United Kingdom Electric Ballroom – Acoustic show
Sat, Nov 12th '11 Orlando, FL United States Orlando Calling
Thu, Nov 10th '11 Burlington, VT United States Higher Ground
Thu, Nov 3rd '11 Burlington, VT United States Higher Ground – Acoustic benefit show
Mon, Sep 5th '11 New York, NY United States Terminal 5 – Acoustic show
Sun, Sep 4th '11 Chicago, IL United States North Coast Music Festival
Fri, Sep 2nd '11 The Gorge, George, WA United States Dave Matthews Band Caravan
Sat, Aug 20th '11 Farstad Gvarv Park Norway Kartfestivalen
Fri, Aug 19th '11 Exeter United Kingdom Beautiful Days
Wed, Aug 17th '11 Jena Germany KulturArena Festival
Mon, Aug 15th '11 Vienna Austria Arena
Sun, Aug 14th '11 Budapest Hungary Sziget Festival
Sat, Aug 13th '11 Cornbury Estate Deer Park United Kingdom Wilderness Festival
Fri, Aug 12th '11 1hr SW of London, location announced 1 wk before. United Kingdom Boom Town Fair
Wed, Aug 10th '11 Luxembourg City Luxembourg Den Atelier
Tue, Aug 9th '11 Nürnberg Germany Hirsch
Sun, Aug 7th '11 Crozon France Festival du bout du Monde
Sat, Aug 6th '11 Gignac France Le Festival Ecaussystème
Fri, Aug 5th '11 Langres France Chien à Plumes Festival
AFTERPARTY
Thu, Aug 4th '11 Lokeren Belgium Lokerse Feesten
AFTERPARTY
Tue, Aug 2nd '11 Bochum Germany Matrix
Mon, Aug 1st '11 Amsterdam Netherlands Melkweg (The Max)
Sun, Jul 31st '11 Malmesbury United Kingdom Womad Festival
Sat, Jul 30th '11 Newport, RI United States Newport Folk Festival
Sat, Jul 9th '11 Verona Italy Castello Scaligero di Villafranca
Fri, Jul 8th '11 Bari Italy L’Acqua in Testa Festival
Thu, Jul 7th '11 Milan Italy Circolo Magnolia
Wed, Jul 6th '11 Rimini Italy Velvet Rock Club
Sun, Jul 3rd '11 Athens Greece Rockwave Festival
Fri, Jul 1st '11 St. Petersburg Russian Federation Club Kosmonavt
Wed, Jun 29th '11 Moscow Russian Federation Green Theatre
Tue, Jun 28th '11 Yekaterinburg Russian Federation Tele-club
Sat, Jun 25th '11 Kazan Russian Federation The Creation of Peace Festival
Thu, Jun 23rd '11 Prague Czech Republic City Festival
AFTERPARTY
Tue, Jun 21st '11 Warsaw Poland Stodola
AFTERPARTY
Sun, Jun 19th '11 Neuhausen ob Eck Germany Southside Festival
Sat, Jun 18th '11 Scheeßel Germany Hurricane Festival
Thu, Jun 16th '11 Gothenburg Sweden West Coast Riot
Wed, Jun 15th '11 Stockholm Sweden Gröna Lund (free show)
Sat, Jun 11th '11 - Sun, Jun 12th '11 Manchester, TN United States Bonnaroo Music Festival
Sat, Jun 11th '11 - Sun, Jun 12th '11 Manchester, TN United States Global Gypsy Punk Revue curated by Eugene Hütz @ Bonnaroo Festival
Sat, Jun 4th '11 Elmer, NJ United States Appel Farm Arts and Music Festival
Wed, May 25th '11 Irvine, CA United States Verizon Wireless Amphitheater (supporting System of a Down)
Tue, May 24th '11 Inglewood, CA United States The Forum (supporting System of a Down)
Sun, May 22nd '11 Las Vegas, NV United States The Pearl Theater (supporting System of a Down)
Sat, May 21st '11 Chula Vista, CA United States Cricket Wireless Amphitheatre (supporting System of a Down)
Thu, May 19th '11 Albuquerque, NM United States Hard Rock Pavilion (supporting System of a Down)
Wed, May 18th '11 Denver, CO United States Comfort Dental Amphitheater (supporting System of a Down)
Sun, May 15th '11 Mountain View, CA United States Shoreline Amphitheater (supporting System of a Down)
Fri, May 13th '11 Seattle, WA United States Seattle Center (supporting System of a Down)
Thu, May 12th '11 Vancouver, BC Canada Rogers Arena (supporting System of a Down)
Tue, May 10th '11 Edmonton, AB Canada Rexall Place (supporting System of a Down)
Sat, Apr 16th '11 Indio, CA United States Coachella Festival
Thu, Apr 14th '11 Austin, TX United States Stubb’s Waller Creek Amphitheatre
Tue, Apr 12th '11 Houston, TX United States House of Blues
Mon, Apr 11th '11 Dallas, TX United States House of Blues
Sat, Apr 9th '11 New Orleans, LA United States Jack Daniel’s Event 21+
Fri, Apr 8th '11 Memphis, TN United States Minglewood Hall
Thu, Apr 7th '11 Asheville, NC United States The Orange Peel
Wed, Apr 6th '11 Atlanta, GA United States Jack Daniel’s Event 21+
Mon, Apr 4th '11 Columbus, OH United States Jack Daniel’s Event 21+
Sat, Apr 2nd '11 Boston, MA United States House of Blues
Fri, Apr 1st '11 Clifton Park, NY United States Northern Lights
Wed, Mar 16th '11 Belfast United Kingdom Mandela Hall
Tue, Mar 15th '11 Dublin Ireland Olympia
Mon, Mar 14th '11 Edinburgh United Kingdom Picture House
Sun, Mar 13th '11 Bristol United Kingdom Academy
Fri, Mar 11th '11 Istanbul Turkey Babylon
Wed, Mar 9th '11 Bucharest Romania Sala Palatului
Mon, Mar 7th '11 Lisboa Portugal Campo Pequeno
Sun, Mar 6th '11 Porto Portugal Oporto Coliseum
Fri, Mar 4th '11 Rome Italy Atlantico Live
Wed, Mar 2nd '11 Tel Aviv Israel Barby Club
Tue, Mar 1st '11 Tel Aviv Israel Barby Club
Mon, Feb 28th '11 Tel Aviv Israel Barby Club
Sat, Jan 1st '11 New York, NY United States Terminal Five

[Hype]

And every single one of those shows is FUCKING crazy.








I was RIGHT beside this guy:

[JOEinPHX]

"If they're so hot, how come they're not tearing up the charts, babe?"

[Hype]

"If they're so hot, how come they're not tearing up the charts, babe?"

Well, the singer scream-sings in broken English/Russian/Ukrainian/Romani, the music is not something most American/Canadian/UK ears are used to... violin and Am/Fm gypsy traditional guitar mixed with punk and metal.

So there's that.

[Juana]

I love them Gogol and yeah they are amazing live. As for why they're not bigger they do not want to be, they want to make music and tour. They're gypsies and live like the gypsies. Perry obviously liked them enough to take them to Lolla in South America as well. They were also paid by Coca Cola to make the jingle for Euro 2012. They're alot more popular in Europe than the US much like say Placebo.

But I can say they have sold out Stubbs which I have seen them at a few times and while that is not an arena that is a venue that a lot of bands play regularly. Their soundcheck and their set up in the green room was awesome too, never seen so much Vodka for just like 8 or 9 people. They know how to party.

[Pandemonium]

I was RIGHT beside this guy:

What is up with those bouncers up front? Disregarding the odd behavior, they all look like they were cloned from the same person.

[Hype]

I love them Gogol and yeah they are amazing live. As for why they're not bigger they do not want to be, they want to make music and tour. They're gypsies and live like the gypsies. Perry obviously liked them enough to take them to Lolla in South America as well. They were also paid by Coca Cola to make the jingle for Euro 2012. They're alot more popular in Europe than the US much like say Placebo.

But I can say they have sold out Stubbs which I have seen them at a few times and while that is not an arena that is a venue that a lot of bands play regularly. Their soundcheck and their set up in the green room was awesome too, never seen so much Vodka for just like 8 or 9 people. They know how to party.

Well, I think Eugene lives in Brazil now anyway, so it was probably a good idea to take them to South America, where he lives. But yeah, they're huge in Europe. The Euro 2012 jingle was okay...

Their last album was produced by Rick Rubin b/c of Madonna's recommendation... she really likes them for some reason, but she sucks, and they ruined a great gypsy classic, Lela Pala Tute because of her.

Check out the difference in authenticity:




Ugh... but Gogol will never be inauthentic, even with Rick Rubin's shitty production on their album... The songs are mind-blowing "events" live.

[Juana]

I have all their stuff you don't have to convince me

[Hype]

I have all their stuff you don't have to convince me

's not for you! I've been trying to convince people here for years... I find really white-bread North Americans think they're a gimmick...