Aint No Right

Matov wrote:i think his castaway period made him a bit more sour, if possible, and definitely a bit passive agressive. god knows what he went through in the dark lands of banned-dom

Larry did get the memo about ANR so it's probably him. Larry? Speak up, Chile pepper.

Pandemonium wrote:

hokahey wrote:

bman wrote:Xiola.org was a great site. I thank Sonny immensely for that. BUT having said that......OMG..Get over it. It was just a site. I'm over there reading his blog. What's up his ass? Why so dramatic? Like the fact when he had all those Avry interviews and let them seep out little by little. I think Sonny may have taken himself a bit too seriously.

Yeah, his Q&A is a little much.

I talked to Sonny last night. He and I are square I suppose.

After running that site for as long as he did I understand him having a certain feeling of self-importance.

Plus. he never got to take a break from all of this like I did. I think I can understand his headspace. This can be a draining task.

I've ripped on Sonny in the past for doing his annual drama queen bs and reconciled that with the fact his way of letting the site run with a hands off policy was extremely successful. The thing is, Xiola was as good as it was *because* of the members, not any one person or the site owner/moderator.

Sonny has a certain element of smug self-importance that makes it clear he's going to have a hard time letting go of being a major figure in the Jane's fan community. All he needed to do was post a short bit his frontpage saying something like "I'm burned out running the site, good luck all (or fuck y'all), c-ya." Nope, he's gotta have a smug, bitter little Q&A bit ripping on others. IMO, his rips on Hokahey now have no merit considered how he pulled his site and the Eric interview down in such a pissy way.

At this point, we're moving on and rebuild our little dysfunctional community on our own and I'd bet it will be just as successful if not moreso than it was on Xiola.

Pandemonium, you summed up my sentiments on this subject, perfectly. Very well put.

I know he and hoka had legitimate beef back in the day ('05 or some shit?), but I thought the personal attacks against hoka were a little unwarranted. Now, Hoka might have some different political views than I do and he does tend to get too heated during arguments (like any regular on an internet forum), but I think he can build a fine site here, and I support his efforts to do so.

Maybe this should be up in the FAQ section

Thanks guys. I talked to Sonny about the rips on me last night via Facebook. He agreed they were harsh but certainly made no efforts to apologize. He kept saying he has disagreements with friends and family but that doesn't change their friendships. I think he tried to smooth it over in his own way. He doesn't seem like the type to offer apologies. He imparted some ideas and wisdom and was encouraging about how to do this right.

I agree with some of the sentiments you have about him, but I also see his perspective maybe a bit more than others considering my past.

This is harder work than people think. Yes the users make the board, but I know firsthand how easy it is to run a board poorly and attract the wrong users. Sonny did an exceptional job with Xiola and worked harder than most will ever realize. I don't agree with how he ended it, but 99% of people didn't agree with how I ended ANR originally. I know that headspace and it's tough. You know how hard you've worked and no one else does.

I'm not trying to weave a sob story about the poor admins but keep in mind that Sonny offered up the defacto Jane's site for many many years where many many others failed. There's a reason for that, and much of it has to do with how he conducted himself and the community he helped shape.

Look at JA.org. Mike and Erik make that place almost unbearable. ANR was at times a total troll haven on the opposite end of the spectrum. Sonny found the balance, built the community, and now we've all moved here. It's up to us and up to me to make sure we maintain the balance that he best implemented.

Now, I don't agree with everything Sonny has ever said and done and have also found him smug and arrogant at times. That was the whole reason I started the first ANR. I couldn't stand Erik or Sonny and wanted an alternative. But over the years I've at least come to respect Sonny, something I can't say for Erik.

Pure Method wrote: Now, Hoka might have some different political views than I do and he does tend to get too heated during arguments

Creep will have to moderate some political threads.

No worries. I'll try to avoid getting in to heated debates of any kind.

That should be the slogan of the global JA community.

yours truly,
DrugstoreCowgirl.

What's with the 3 character min on the username. I want SR back...

Titus wrote:What's with the 3 character min on the username. I want SR back...

ok i changed it to two. if i change your username will you be able to sign in anymore? hey..that's an idea

creep wrote:

Titus wrote:What's with the 3 character min on the username. I want SR back...

ok i changed it to two. if i change your username will you be able to sign in anymore? hey..that's an idea

Power and jokes.

Good looking out Creep.

hokahey wrote:Good looking out Creep.

yours truly,
Pat Hiscock.

Hyperbolic wrote:

hokahey wrote:Good looking out Creep.

yours truly,
Pat Hiscock.

That sucks if it sounds that way. I'm just trying to show the man some appreciation for getting this together.

I know. Me too.

yours truly.
Mike Raffone.

hokahey wrote:

Hyperbolic wrote:

hokahey wrote:Good looking out Creep.

yours truly,
Pat Hiscock.

That sucks if it sounds that way.

Dude... seriously, this is the funniest chain of posts ever.

Larry B. wrote:

hokahey wrote:

Hyperbolic wrote:

hokahey wrote:Good looking out Creep.

yours truly,
Pat Hiscock.

That sucks if it sounds that way.

Dude... seriously, this is the funniest chain of posts ever.

I laughed so hard I peed myself.

Always,

Miss Behavin

Speaking of Pugs. Just recently had a litter

Juana wrote:

Speaking of Pugs. Just recently had a litter

So, you have house full of pug puppies?

All puppies are cute, but pug puppies are especially cute. If you don't mind could you post a few pics of their bums?
Puppy bums are too cute the way they waddle around.

Yeah the other half needs to upload more of them (she's in charge of the Pugs, I'm in charge of the Pits and Presa) she's the one who breeds. We're actually giving a couple away to some people that couldn't meet the price but they really wanted to get one for their kids and one for their parents and we thought that was nice.

Human... selling... animals... must... restrain self... verbal attack...

Larry B. wrote:Human... selling... animals... must... restrain self... verbal attack...

Larry the asking price is typically all the medical care, food and if they want breeding rights. If they don't want breeding rights then we only recoup the monies spent on vet and food costs. But typically people want the papers on them as well and that is when we charge. If its going to be a pet home then fine but if they want papers and breeding rights they have to pay extra.

Juana wrote:

Larry B. wrote:Human... selling... animals... must... restrain self... verbal attack...

Larry the asking price is typically all the medical care, food and if they want breeding rights. If they don't want breeding rights then we only recoup the monies spent on vet and food costs. But typically people want the papers on them as well and that is when we charge. If its going to be a pet home then fine but if they want papers and breeding rights they have to pay extra.

...as it should be.

Hoka, Creep ( ) are you emulating the 5 minute rule for edits on posts

Bad call.

SR wrote:Hoka, Creep ( ) are you emulating the 5 minute rule for edits on posts

Bad call.

it's set to 30 minutes