Billboard Listening Party: New Album/Tour Details

[Pandemonium]

A few observations.....

It's either lazy journalism or plain ol' ignorance to say "End To The Lies" (and "Ultimate Reason" I'm sure) is anything close to the "standard Jane's Addiction sound" even through Strays. ETTL regardless of how good it is or isn't, clearly broke new sonic ground for the band. I also find it rather amusing the band is pretty much ignoring the fact they released ETTL as their first "single" (probably because it didn't make much of an impression outside the hardcore fanbase) and now regard IF as the album's first single.

And as expected, it sounds like there's a few more "Pissed At Eric/The JA Haters" tunes in this album. It's funny that "Broken People" is being called "U2-ish," as I recall the one time it was soundchecked, it sounded nothing like anything "U2-ish." Hopefully, there's a few songs on this disc that are simply going to be "Great-ish." I could give a fuck what other band they sound like.

[Tyler Durden]

I don't understand how people can say that "Irresistible Force" sounds like U2. That would imply that it is good.

[Hokahey]

"Splash a Little Water,"

I don't recall having seen this track title yet. Interesting.

It could easily be 7 minutes long and be lengthy and epic if most the remaining tracks average 3-4 minutes.

[Jasper]

I don't understand how people can say that "Irresistible Force" sounds like U2. That would imply that it is good.

You can copy a good sound badly. This is not to say that I consider U2 or Coldplay to be good sounds. U2 has some tolerable stuff, but while we're on the subject, you keep surprising me with your middle-of-the-road music listening.

[Pure Method]

I hate U2. Nothing against those who like them, but yeah, we are talking about taste here. When someone says U2-esque, all it means is it sounds like U2. How can you derive a value judgment from that? Although I suppose NOT doing that takes some fun out of it.

[Tyler Durden]

I don't understand how people can say that "Irresistible Force" sounds like U2. That would imply that it is good.

You can copy a good sound badly. This is not to say that I consider U2 or Coldplay to be good sounds. U2 has some tolerable stuff, but while we're on the subject, you keep surprising me with your middle-of-the-road music listening.

I grew up. Not to mention, music doesn't have to be "cutting edge" to be good. To me, that is the problem with music that is popular among hipsters today. It is weird or "cool" for the sake of it...without a lot of it actually being memorable or good. Aside from that, I'm 37...I've seen a million bands come and go; I have no interest in purchasing/downloading or even listening to music that doesn't have any kind of longevity. 15-20 years ago, I was discovering new (read hip) music daily; I just don't have the time or patience for that anymore. As well, U2 was "alternative" or whatever when I was a kid.

I saw Counting Crows in concert last year and loved every fucking minute of it. I'd rather hear something that is coming from a GENUINE place and sounds middle of the road, than something that sounds "cool" and is totally shallow and transparent.

[Jasper]

I don't understand how people can say that "Irresistible Force" sounds like U2. That would imply that it is good.

You can copy a good sound badly. This is not to say that I consider U2 or Coldplay to be good sounds. U2 has some tolerable stuff, but while we're on the subject, you keep surprising me with your middle-of-the-road music listening.

I grew up. Not to mention, music doesn't have to be "cutting edge" to be good. To me, that is the problem with music that is popular among hipsters today. It is weird or "cool" for the sake of it...without a lot of it actually being memorable or good. Aside from that, I'm 37...I've seen a million bands come and go; I have no interest in purchasing/downloading or even listening to music that doesn't have any kind of longevity. 15-20 years ago, I was discovering new (read hip) music daily; I just don't have the time or patience for that anymore. As well, U2 was "alternative" or whatever when I was a kid.

I saw Counting Crows in concert last year and loved every fucking minute of it. I'd rather hear something that is coming from a GENUINE place and sounds middle of the road, than something that sounds "cool" and is totally shallow and transparent.

Hey, I don't care what you listen to. You can listen to whatever you want, but listening to middle-of-the-road things doesn't have anything to do with being grown up. It's silly to imply that things that aren't middle-of-the-road rock or pop are somehow all hipster music or fake. I mean, that's a pretty narrow view of anything that isn't popular rock/pop from the last two or three decades. Come on now - all kinds of music has been recorded for over 100 years. The only reason I mentioned it is because of a number of bands you've mentioned recently (U2, Coldplay, Blink182, Bruce Springsteen) and because of all of the aggression you've shown towards nu-Jane's over the years, which probably had people thinking you liked more aggressive or adventurous things. Again, you can like whatever you want. No problem here - I'm just kidding around.

[Pandemonium]

I don't understand how people can say that "Irresistible Force" sounds like U2. That would imply that it is good.

Actually, there's more than a few pretty awful U2 songs, especially from this decade.

IMO, IF sounds like 2nd rate U2. Laboured and over produced, Big, grand sweeping chorus, densely layered guitar and ham-fisted, overly earnest lyrics.

[creep]

fuck you guys for bringing up u2 again.

just please don't say it sounds like van halen.

[Tyler Durden]

I don't understand how people can say that "Irresistible Force" sounds like U2. That would imply that it is good.

You can copy a good sound badly. This is not to say that I consider U2 or Coldplay to be good sounds. U2 has some tolerable stuff, but while we're on the subject, you keep surprising me with your middle-of-the-road music listening.

I grew up. Not to mention, music doesn't have to be "cutting edge" to be good. To me, that is the problem with music that is popular among hipsters today. It is weird or "cool" for the sake of it...without a lot of it actually being memorable or good. Aside from that, I'm 37...I've seen a million bands come and go; I have no interest in purchasing/downloading or even listening to music that doesn't have any kind of longevity. 15-20 years ago, I was discovering new (read hip) music daily; I just don't have the time or patience for that anymore. As well, U2 was "alternative" or whatever when I was a kid.

I saw Counting Crows in concert last year and loved every fucking minute of it. I'd rather hear something that is coming from a GENUINE place and sounds middle of the road, than something that sounds "cool" and is totally shallow and transparent.

Hey, I don't care what you listen to. You can listen to whatever you want, but listening to middle-of-the-road things doesn't have anything to do with being grown up. It's silly to imply that things that aren't middle-of-the-road rock or pop are somehow all hipster music or fake. I mean, that's a pretty narrow view of anything that isn't popular rock/pop from the last two or three decades. Come on now - all kinds of music has been recorded for over 100 years. The only reason I mentioned it is because of a number of bands you've mentioned recently (U2, Coldplay, Blink182, Bruce Springsteen) and because of all of the aggression you've shown towards nu-Jane's over the years, which probably had people thinking you liked more aggressive or adventurous things. Again, you can like whatever you want. No problem here - I'm just kidding around.

Yeah, I LOVE U2. And I like Coldplay and Springsteen. And Blink-182 is great satire (to me anyway).

I like The Misfits (1977-1983), Bad Brains, Minor Threat, The Replacements, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party, etc...I also like Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles. It's called eclectic taste...through maturity. Like I said, if it's genuine, I don't care what genre it is. So far, this new Jane's stuff seems pretty shallow.

[Tyler Durden]

I don't understand how people can say that "Irresistible Force" sounds like U2. That would imply that it is good.

Actually, there's more than a few pretty awful U2 songs, especially from this decade.

Shhh...

I know that.

[Jasper]

Yeah, I LOVE U2. And I like Coldplay and Springsteen. And Blink-182 is great satire (to me anyway).

I like The Misfits (1977-1983), Bad Brains, Minor Threat, The Replacements, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party, etc...I also like Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles. It's called eclectic taste...through maturity.

Is that what it's called? OK. To be honest, it doesn't seem all that eclectic to me, and I don't see maturity having anything to do with it , but if that's the way you want to view your musical preferences, so be it. I've always been of the mind that people should listen to whatever they want to, so I'm not remotely interested in having an argument about it. It's just that after a number of years, it's funny finding out that someone's tastes are much tamer than you might have imagined based upon their comments and personality.

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah, I LOVE U2. And I like Coldplay and Springsteen. And Blink-182 is great satire (to me anyway).

I like The Misfits (1977-1983), Bad Brains, Minor Threat, The Replacements, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party, etc...I also like Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles. It's called eclectic taste...through maturity.

Is that what it's called? OK. To be honest, it doesn't seem all that eclectic to me, and I don't see maturity having anything to do with it , but if that's the way you want to view your musical preferences, so be it. I've always been of the mind that people should listen to whatever they want to, so I'm not remotely interested in having an argument about it. It's just that after a number of years, it's funny finding out that someone's tastes are much tamer than you might have imagined based upon their comments and personality.

I was just rhyming off random shit. I don't get it. Was I supposed to cite shit like GG Allin and Cannibal Corpse as my favourite artists because I am opinionated on here?

[Jasper]

Yeah, I LOVE U2. And I like Coldplay and Springsteen. And Blink-182 is great satire (to me anyway).

I like The Misfits (1977-1983), Bad Brains, Minor Threat, The Replacements, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party, etc...I also like Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles. It's called eclectic taste...through maturity.

Is that what it's called? OK. To be honest, it doesn't seem all that eclectic to me, and I don't see maturity having anything to do with it , but if that's the way you want to view your musical preferences, so be it. I've always been of the mind that people should listen to whatever they want to, so I'm not remotely interested in having an argument about it. It's just that after a number of years, it's funny finding out that someone's tastes are much tamer than you might have imagined based upon their comments and personality.

I was just rhyming off random shit. I don't get it. Was I supposed to cite shit like GG Allin and Cannibal Corpse as my favourite artists because I am opinionated on here?

No, you weren't supposed to do anything that you weren't doing.

[JOEinPHX]

So we're getting 8 new songs, 32 minutes of music.

After TWO 10 year breaks between albums, that is ridiculous.

Remember when bands used to release 10 new songs every year?

i don't understand their lack of enthusiasm/productivity for the thing that is supposed to be their "legend" and their source of income.

[Jasper]

So we're getting 8 new songs, 32 minutes of music.

After TWO 10 year breaks between albums, that is ridiculous.

Remember when bands used to release 10 new songs every year?

i don't understand their lack of enthusiasm/productivity for the thing that is supposed to be their "legend" and their source of income.

I don't think it's fair not to count ETTL and IF as new songs. They're not as new to us, but they were previews of the new album, so they count. I understand your feelings about it, and almost wish they hadn't released anything in advance because that means less songs we've never heard when the thing finally arrives.

As for the other stuff, I agree, except that I will not count the times that the band wasn't together in some form. It only makes sense to judge their output on times that they've been together in one form or another.

[leviticus]

http://www.artistdirect.com/entertainme ... in/9205070

More info on the listening party

[leviticus]

More descriptive. The other tracks not mentioned: "splash a little water, Curiosity Kills and Underground"

[Tyler Durden]

Okay, now I am getting excited. I'm hoping for the best. The overindulgence of accolades has me very skeptical...but I can't lie, I am eager to hear this album.

I know they are just song titles...but I really like the song titles for this album. Much better than crap like "Superhero".

[leviticus]

I Think it's that websites job to crap praise over all new music. But I like the descriptions.

[Tyler Durden]

So if we go by the order in that article, this is the track listing:

1. Underground
2. End To The Lies
3. Curiosity Kills
4. Irresistible Force
5. I'll Hit You Back
6. Twisted Tales
7. Ultimate Reason
8. Splash a Little Water On It
9. Broken People
10. Words Right Out of My Mouth

[Hokahey]

So if we go by the order in that article, this is the track listing:

1. Underground
2. End To The Lies
3. Curiosity Kills
4. Irresistible Force
5. I'll Hit You Back
6. Twisted Tales
7. Ultimate Reason
8. Splash a Little Water On It
9. Broken People
10. Words Right Out of My Mouth

Nice work.

Sounds like Splash a Little Water On It is supposed to be the highlight of the album.

[creep]

just judging from the song titles at least he seems to be focused on eric and not etty on this album.

[Hokahey]

I wonder if Broken People really is about Xiola.

[trevor ayer]

i like that one of the songs is called "i'll hit you back" .. reminds me of "one hit's all it takes" their first single .. and i think perrys publishing back then, and maybe still now, is called "i'll hit you back" .. i am secretly hoping that irrisistable force and end to the lies are not on this record .. that whole bangin and bangin sounds like perry has a mouth full of marbles .. prince did the same thing with that crappy "guitar" song that was in a verizon comercial .. mouth full of marbles on the first verse .. it's one thing to write a mediocre song but to leave that mumbly crap in the song just rips the heart out of any of the good parts of the song .. these songs are way too short already ... i wouldn't want over cooked either .. but they have not jammed on any of these songs .. they sound more like bits and pieces spliced together than they do an actual band playing in a room together .. the remix contest was a little to revealing as to how metronomed and somewhat monotonous all the performances actually are ... i love the old 86 rehearsal tapes where they will just jam on a tune for like 15 minutes getting the groove .. this sounds like an idea tape still .. irresistable force could easily be 'obvious' length .. same with 'end to the lies' .. now that the songs are kind of written they need to jam them for a year .. fix the lyrics and stretch them out .. the sounds are really nice .. i will give them that .. but the cut and paste chorus verse building is as painful as watching a computer animated movie ... i am still not sure i want to give these guys my money this time .. the vibes show displayed that they still have "it" but the fact remains that they sold out .. they are just doing there job now .. they are writing ringtones not epic musical masterpieces