Is music dead? will we get new music from JA/related people

[kv]

People get old and lose touch...It happens... now get it back!

[Stickyfingers]

ohhhhh.... Perry singing with Simon LeBon...
Etty loves LeBon we have good chances he'll be guest on next PerryEtty Heaven project

[Hype]

ohhhhh.... Perry singing with Simon LeBon...
Etty loves LeBon we have good chances he'll be guest on next PerryEtty Heaven project

This is the worst thing I have ever heard. I changed my mind. Music is dead.

[Bandit72]

This is the worst thing I have ever heard. I changed my mind. Music is dead.

You're absolutely right.

Although it's still better than the original

[creep]

I listened to the latest Dark Matter Radio and Dave was talking about the one Jane's show booked. He said their manager called him about four or five other shows and he said no because those shows added up don't add up to the money they are getting for this one show. If playing is 100% only about money now do you really think their "love of music" will get them recording again?

He also talked about turning down MTV's Unplugged because they were all "fuck corporate America" and then laughed because they are now corporate whores.

[JOEinPHX]

It makes the most sense for who they are as a band now (Won't play more than the same 10 songs, won't rehearse, singer gets drunk/drugged up before the show with his wife)

Why play five local shows at a small club for 10 grand each and have to learn extra songs, when they can headline a single festival for 50 grand with a short setlist of the songs you don't forget how to play?

If they weren't still getting those offers, they would have just went into permanent hiatus 5 years ago.

[bman]

They basically suck and I blame Perry and Dave.

[Hype]

Meh. It's old age and who they are as people. Nothing to blame. Just not worth paying attention to.

[kv]

They basically suck and I blame Perry and Dave.

It finally happened...Bman has given up

[Juana]

They basically suck and I blame Perry and Dave.

It finally happened...Bman has given up

I never thought this day would happen... I'm buying some scratch offs

[JOEinPHX]

They basically suck and I blame Perry and Dave.

It's really not Dave's fault that Perry refuses to rehearse and refuses to take care of his voice.

If my singer showed up bombed for shows and could only sing 3 songs before going hoarse, I'd only want to play big money short-setlist festival gigs too.

#FuckYouPerry

[creep]

They basically suck and I blame Perry and Dave.

It's really not Dave's fault that Perry refuses to rehearse and refuses to take care of his voice.

If my singer showed up bombed for shows and could only sing 3 songs before going hoarse, I'd only want to play big money short-setlist festival gigs too.

#FuckYouPerry

Are you back to defending Dave on everything? Dave doesn't give a shit about music these days. How is that solo material coming along?

[JOEinPHX]

They basically suck and I blame Perry and Dave.

It's really not Dave's fault that Perry refuses to rehearse and refuses to take care of his voice.

If my singer showed up bombed for shows and could only sing 3 songs before going hoarse, I'd only want to play big money short-setlist festival gigs too.

#FuckYouPerry

Are you back to defending Dave on everything? Dave doesn't give a shit about music these days. How is that solo material coming along?

Defending?

I'm just the one listening to Dark Matter every week when he complains about certain people not giving it their all. I pay attention when Taylor Hawkins is in Jane's jam room singing mountain song because Perry failed to show up for their only rehearsal before the show.

The fact of the matter is, there are 3 people on that stage that rehearse, play the songs note for note perfect, and one of which has a radio show where he expresses frustration that he wants to play other/different songs.

And it's also a fact that there is one member who doesn't show up for rehearsal and gets bombed with his wife every night rather than take care of himself.

You want to argue any of those points? Go ahead. I'll listen.

[blackula]

6767, it's age dude. Perry is probably saving his voice by not rehearsing. I agree that he's become a caricature of himself, but at his age with his voice this is the best it can be. Yes, Porno/Decon should've been an awesome follow up to RDLH and yes, GGU should've been the direction in the 2000's for Perry. He's old and out of touch latching on to shitty club music because he can't deliver anything better anymore. Everyone is different, what made him badass in the late 80's/early 90's probably shredded his throat. It's much easier being a mumbling baritone if you're looking to perform into your 50's

[janesbiggestfan]

The reason is not Perry's voice being shot. It goes deeper than this. He never cared for it. He doesnt care for it now. He didnt try (at least didnt make an attempt that would be apparent to the people watching).
So many people here suggested: maybe lay off the wine - it dries the vocal chords, maybe look for different options, maintain your voice, get a coach, develop routine and work ethic. Nah he'd rather entertain his and his wife's alcoholism and narcissism, shopping and skiing tours. Perry's decline is the reason behind Jane's decline. They pretty much suggested that during last Dark Matter. "The reason for them sucking at ozzfest was the same as always, ha ha ha". "But we cant discuss this"

[JOEinPHX]

The reason is not Perry's voice being shot. It goes deeper than this. He never cared for it. He doesnt care for it now. He didnt try (at least didnt make an attempt that would be apparent to the people watching).
So many people here suggested: maybe lay off the wine - it dries the vocal chords, maybe look for different options, maintain your voice, get a coach, develop routine and work ethic. Nah he'd rather entertain his and his wife's alcoholism and narcissism, shopping and skiing tours. Perry's decline is the reason behind Jane's decline. They pretty much suggested that during last Dark Matter. "The reason for them sucking at ozzfest was the same as always, ha ha ha". "But we cant discuss this"

Spot on.

[Hype]

The reason is not Perry's voice being shot. It goes deeper than this. He never cared for it. He doesnt care for it now. He didnt try (at least didnt make an attempt that would be apparent to the people watching).
So many people here suggested: maybe lay off the wine - it dries the vocal chords, maybe look for different options, maintain your voice, get a coach, develop routine and work ethic. Nah he'd rather entertain his and his wife's alcoholism and narcissism, shopping and skiing tours. Perry's decline is the reason behind Jane's decline. They pretty much suggested that during last Dark Matter. "The reason for them sucking at ozzfest was the same as always, ha ha ha". "But we cant discuss this"

Spot on.

I don't think this is totally spot on. The vocals and lyrics aren't the only terrible part of the past 20 years. The music also sucks, with a few unpredictable moments of interesting things tossed in -- pretty much the way Perry's voice will suddenly hit a note where you go "Wait, that's what I wanted!" But then it goes away again, and you're left with music-by-numbers shit. Nothing special. Maybe you could blame the music on Perry too, like... Dave would have written much better guitar parts if Perry wasn't in control... but I don't think so.

[kv]

Totally agree with hype...They all phone it in now...They got old...Never thought perk would play such boring shit ever... I can't even believe it's him on strays and tgea.

Yet with hellride he goes off...Perry is def the weak link...He can't be inspiring anything from from the rest...But it's a total shit show from top to bottom these days.

[someguy]

Interesting about the Dark Matter jabs. You'd think Dave makes enough off of Ink Master that he could just leave, but he knows at this point not to rock the boat with those relationships. He knows he can still play music in front of decent crowd and make a little more dough. Him and Perk have just accepted it all.

[Hokahey]

The reason is not Perry's voice being shot. It goes deeper than this. He never cared for it. He doesnt care for it now. He didnt try (at least didnt make an attempt that would be apparent to the people watching).
So many people here suggested: maybe lay off the wine - it dries the vocal chords, maybe look for different options, maintain your voice, get a coach, develop routine and work ethic. Nah he'd rather entertain his and his wife's alcoholism and narcissism, shopping and skiing tours. Perry's decline is the reason behind Jane's decline. They pretty much suggested that during last Dark Matter. "The reason for them sucking at ozzfest was the same as always, ha ha ha". "But we cant discuss this"

Spot on.

I don't think this is totally spot on. The vocals and lyrics aren't the only terrible part of the past 20 years. The music also sucks, with a few unpredictable moments of interesting things tossed in -- pretty much the way Perry's voice will suddenly hit a note where you go "Wait, that's what I wanted!" But then it goes away again, and you're left with music-by-numbers shit. Nothing special. Maybe you could blame the music on Perry too, like... Dave would have written much better guitar parts if Perry wasn't in control... but I don't think so.

While I agree, I do wonder how much Perry impacts the songwriting as a whole. "No, a little more straightforward boys. We want a 3 minute rockin stick of dynamite!"

[janesbiggestfan]

I think that preventing them from jamming on their own counts as Perry blocking the music writing process. Even if the original batch was created with Perry and Eric sitting together and humming and writing down riffs with a bass guitar, the music would probably be better without Perry interrupting and controlling. I for sure think Dave's contribution to his own projects after RDLH provides basis to claim he had a lot left in him music wise

[dannyboy]

I think that preventing them from jamming on their own counts as Perry blocking the music writing process. Even if the original batch was created with Perry and Eric sitting together and humming and writing down riffs with a bass guitar, the music would probably be better without Perry interrupting and controlling. I for sure think Dave's contribution to his own projects after RDLH provides basis to claim he had a lot left in him music wise

I agree that Dave gets too much stick for not being creative enough. I think it shows humility that he kepts some of the old guitar parts. I also remember him saying that Perry wrote the intro too Ocean (which is kind of ripped off from Cream) and he thought it was perfectt as it was so there was no need to change it.

His post Janes recordings (apart from The Panic Channel....geeez that record stunk...they shoulda got Chris Shinn!) are beautiful.

[Hype]

I think that preventing them from jamming on their own counts as Perry blocking the music writing process. Even if the original batch was created with Perry and Eric sitting together and humming and writing down riffs with a bass guitar, the music would probably be better without Perry interrupting and controlling. I for sure think Dave's contribution to his own projects after RDLH provides basis to claim he had a lot left in him music wise

Twenty years ago?!

[dannyboy]

I think that preventing them from jamming on their own counts as Perry blocking the music writing process. Even if the original batch was created with Perry and Eric sitting together and humming and writing down riffs with a bass guitar, the music would probably be better without Perry interrupting and controlling. I for sure think Dave's contribution to his own projects after RDLH provides basis to claim he had a lot left in him music wise

Twenty years ago?!

You are clearly forgetting instances such as recording with Christina Aguliera (International Megastar), performing with MJ (King of Pop) and video appearances with the likes of Moby and P Diddy (Nintendo)

Need I go on?

[Hype]

I think that preventing them from jamming on their own counts as Perry blocking the music writing process. Even if the original batch was created with Perry and Eric sitting together and humming and writing down riffs with a bass guitar, the music would probably be better without Perry interrupting and controlling. I for sure think Dave's contribution to his own projects after RDLH provides basis to claim he had a lot left in him music wise

Twenty years ago?!

You are clearly forgetting instances such as recording with Christina Aguliera (International Megastar), performing with MJ (King of Pop) and video appearances with the likes of Moby and P Diddy (Nintendo)

Need I go on?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Either way, no, I'm not forgetting those things. I mean, I am, but that's because the music is forgettable. The instances themselves are things I am aware happened, but I don't see how that possibly counts as a defense of Dave as an artist.