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St. Louis Club #5 in the World

#1 Post by Hokahey » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:29 am

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Our own the Pageant concert club was No. 5 on Pollstar's annual list of Top 100 Club Venues in the world.

The ranking is based on number of tickets sold during 2011's calendar year, with that number totaling 181,451 tickets in the case of the Pageant.

The list is topped by Terminal 5 in New York City.

Here is the top ten, and again hats off to the Pageant.

1. Terminal 5, New York City, 268,973

2. 9:30 Club, Washington, DC, 256,881

3. House of Blues, Boston, 245,812

4. Ancienne Belgique, Brussels, Belgium, 241,921

5. The Pageant, St. Louis, 181,451

6. First Avenue, Minneapolis, 174,639

7. Ogden Theatre, Denver, 169,258

8. Best Buy Theater, New York City, 165,002

9. Metropolis, Montreal, Canada, 147,092

10. Club Nokia, Los Angeles, 144,842


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It's funny because it's one of my least favorite places to catch a show. The sound is awful and it's impossible to see unless you're in the balcony or the pit. It's where most bands play though, and it is gorgeous inside.

Some shows I've seen there:

1. Heny Rollins

2. Zwan

3. A Perfect Circle

4. Dave Chappelle

5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs

6. Modest Mouse

7. Coheed and Cambria

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Anyone have a favorite/least favorite club in their area?


My favorite was where I saw Porno for Pyros, which has been defunct a few years now.

It was called Mississippi Nights. Right off of the riverfront. The sound was bad there too but it was small, dirty and at the right show it was the perfect size for a rowdy crowd. Every important alt-rock band over the last twenty years played there when they were small if they came through St. Louis. It was usually where you saw "that band" on their first or 2nd tour. Couldn't have held more than a few hundred people

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#2 Post by Pandemonium » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:05 pm

For the LA/Hollywood area during the 80's, I used to love going to shows at The Palace (later The Avalon) in Hollywood. I saw tons of great bands there including Big Country, The Cramps, The Jesus and Mary Chain, Nine Inch Nails, Iggy Pop, The Lords Of The New Church and Killing Joke among bands I can recall off the top of my head. Place had a great vibe, kind of like a cross between a mini Wiltern Theater and the Hollywood Palladium. It's been well over a decade since I've seen a show there so I have no idea how it is now as The Avalon.

Speaking of The Hollywood Palladium, that's also a great place to catch a show but sound can be hit or miss and it can be incredibly rowdy up front. I remember almost getting trampled up front at several shows, including The Clash (Combat Rock tour), The Cult (Love tour) and a Social Distortion/Iggy Pop show around '88. Some great shows I've seen there in the past besides the above include Stevie Ray Vaughan (several tours), The Cramps, Bauhaus, Living Colour, Ministry, TSOL/Bad Religion, Queens of the Stone Age, Big Country, Nine Inch Nails (farewell tour), and of course, Jane's Addiction on 12/19/90.

The Wiltern has been my go-to place the last decade or so. There was a period of several years around 2003 - 2006 that I'd go just to see anyone because I liked hanging out there so much. It got to the point several bartenders knew me by name and would give me a little something extra in my well drinks. The last few years, it seems something hard to put my finger on regarding the overall vibe of the place has kind of been lost. I think when I saw Killing Joke with the place only barely half full on a rainy night at the end of 2010 was the turning point. But I've seen some pretty major acts there that would normally be arena-level bands such as David Bowie and Metallica, as well as Janes ('02 NYE show), The Cult (several tours), Nine Inch Nails (last show ever), Black Rebel Motorcycle Club/Jesus and Mary Chain (great double bill), Raconteurs, Lenny Kravitz, Audioslave, Pretenders, Marilyn Manson, Moby and Bauhaus.

Other LA area clubs have their pros and cons.... The Key Club is alright although going downstairs to that weird bar/celler gives me fuckin' claustrophobia - if there's ever a fire, that place is a death trap. The Roxy is a good place to catch a show although the layout kind of bugs me and they always overfill the place. I saw a great Sonic Youth show there around '90 when they rescheduled after Neil Young whom they were supported canceled a local arena show that week. The LA and Anaheim House Of Blues clubs have ok layouts and land some great bands now and then but more often than not the sound especially at the Hollywood Hob sucks and the security are cocksuckers. I will say I've seen some great shows at the Hollywood HoB including ZZ Top, Eric Clapton, Cramps, Killing Joke, The Cult, etc.

The Music Box is basically a big concrete square room and depending on the band, the sound can be like someone's drilling into your skull with a Makita. The Echoplex generally sucks the way the sound booth cuts the room in half. One of the more strangely laid-out clubs I ever saw a band at was Canes in San Diego on the beach boardwalk. Saw Love and Rockets do a pre-Coachella warm-up show there in 2008 - place was very small (probably heald 200 people max), but had like three levels set up almost like catwalks looming almost right over the stage.

As for Club Nokia, I've only been there once, a couple years ago to see P.I.L.. Not a bad place, and it seemed easy to move around the front of the floor to get right up to the stage but having support beams blocking some line-of-sight around the bar (which serves ridiculously overpriced booze) and the fact because it's in the second floor of a flimsily-built office building made me nervous when the floor seemed to shake and flex any time the audience showed the slightest bit of excitement .

I'm kind of bummed most of the upcoming shows I wanna catch this year look to be big arena-level shows that are going to be a pain in the ass and expensive as fuck to get decent tickets for.

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#3 Post by ellis » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:24 pm

9:30Club... Washington, DC :rockon:
www.930.com

I was lucky enough to see the first show at the new club which was Fugazi touring Red Medicine. But the first "official" show was in the same week which was Smashing Pumpkins.

I've seen a lot of bands here and have played here twice.

Bands I've seen: Ben Harper & the Innocent Criminals (Will To Live tour), Porno For Pyros (GGU tour) with Cibo Matto, Ramones, Hybrid (w/ Peter Distefano), Ziggy Marley & the Melody Makers, Damian Marley, Lance Herbstrong, Taproot, ...and at least 30 other bands I can't seem to remember right now...

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#4 Post by MYXYLPLYX » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:49 pm

ellis wrote:9:30Club... Washington, DC :rockon:
http://www.930.com
I have a sibling working there... so my family is in clubs on both coasts. :banana: :lol:





I think most know my vote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fillmore

http://thefillmore.com/venue-information

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#5 Post by Pandemonium » Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:26 pm

MYXYLPLYX wrote:I think most know my vote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fillmore

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The only two venues I've caught shows in the San Francisco area are the Bill Graham Civic (Enit '97) and The Shoreline Shed (Lollapalooza '92). BG Civic was an interesting venue - all those big rooms with exhibits, poetry readings, drum-offs, etc around the main concert room was pretty cool. Mediocre, boomy sound unless you were right up front of the stage though. I'd love to catch a Warfield or Fillmore show one of these days.

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#6 Post by creep » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:29 pm

hokahey wrote:
The ranking is based on number of tickets sold during 2011's calendar year, with that number totaling 181,451 tickets in the case of the Pageant.
seems like a dumb way to rank whether a venue is "good"

i haven't been to too many but my favorites are:

the warlfield in sf and the

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greek theater in berkeley

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#7 Post by farrellgirl99 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:44 pm

I agree it's a dumb way to rank. Cause there's no way that Terminal 5 would be 5th. I've been to a handful of shows there (NIN being the best one obviously) and it's definitely not my favorite venue because of space/sound, but they do book good people.

My favorite venue in NYC is either Irving Plaza or the Gramercy Theatre.

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#8 Post by Pandemonium » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:55 pm

Someone needs to do a "Worst Venues" thread or ranking.

IMO, the worst places I've seen shows at include:

The Hollywood Bowl - Your shitty experience starts when your park your car (unless you take a bus from Hollywood Blvd) which by the time you get out, is usually blocked in all directions because no one tells you they "Stack Park" the lot which means bumper-to-bumper so after a show, you have to wait 'til everyone around you gets to their car and attempts to leave before you can even think of moving your car. Bonus points for the fact I almost always manage to get the lot up the hill from the amphitheater so after the show, I'm hiking up a hill just to get back to my car.

Then, unless you get the very best seats inside the circle or in the pit, you either are stuck in 4-seat "boxes" which is like being in a phone booth with 4 lawn chairs with complete strangers, or sitting on basically metal benches further back or just sitting on the grass a quarter mile back on the lawn.

Sound is good - as long as you're in the orchestra section. Anything further back is like listening to one of those old movie drive-in speakers you'd hang on your window coupled with having a pillow wrapped around your head. Shows I've seen there include Nine Inch Nails and Janes Addiction (2001) both shows among the weakest I've seen from either band. The only really good show I've caught there was Arcade Fire in '06.

I'd rather see a band at Anaheim Stadium.

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#9 Post by esqfool » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:16 pm

The Pageant is so lame and sterile. Sound is spotty at best unless you get right behind the soundboard. Then you have to deal with the few hundred people at every show who bought tickets just to be "seen" and stand by the bar and talk over the music to the point any quiet act is drowned out. Also, the ticket prices are usually through the roof for anything. Mississippi Nights was the shit. Held 1,000 people tops and I've been there on sellouts and it was intense. Of course they tore it down and put a parking lot there that nobody uses. Also, another phenomenon is the "scalped out" shows there. Almost everything sells out due to the no scalping laws in Missouri. So really that list means jack shit b/c the Pageant sucks balls, but unfortunately most bigger shows are there.

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#10 Post by Mescal » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:12 am

hokahey wrote:

4. Ancienne Belgique, Brussels, Belgium, 241,921
AB rules! Woot!

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#11 Post by Xizen47 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:15 pm

Favorites in the SF Bay Area:

The Fillmore #1 for sure
Greek Theater
Great American Music Hall
Bottom of the Hill
Bimbos 365
Fox Theater in Oakland

Loved Maritime Hall,, wish they'd reopen

Only place I really don't care for is Slims

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