George R.R. Martin on 'Dance With Dragons' shocking twist (Spoilers)
BY JAMES HIBBERD • @JAMESHIBBERD
Posted July 21 2011
If you’ve finished George R.R. Martin’s A Dance With Dragons, you probably had at least one heart-stopping shock along with more than a few somewhat less cardiac-endangering surprises. Below, Martin answers a few of EW’s burning questions about the novel’s plot twists. But here’s a very serious warning: This post contains major spoilers from the fifth novel in the “Ice and Fire” series. Do not continue reading unless you have finished Dragons.
i wasn't bummed at all (even though it was spoiled) about jon snow. never liked the character. it was no ned stark moment. that walk of shame was pretty brutal.
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:32 pm
by chaos
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:46 pm
by chaos
Season 6 Prediction: Melisandre (the witch) will intervene to save someone (who appears to have been killed in the season 5 finale).
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:48 pm
by creep
chaos wrote:Season 6 Prediction: Melisandre (the witch) will intervene to save someone (who appears to have been killed in the season 5 finale).
didn't think of that. you are probably right.
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:59 pm
by kv
mine is jon snow's ghost enters his wolf...ya know the one named ghost
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:00 pm
by creep
kv wrote:mine is jon snow's ghost enters his wolf...ya know the one named ghost
pervert
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:19 pm
by perkana
Or he could become a white walker. With this show it can be anything.
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:20 pm
by perkana
kv wrote:mine is jon snow's ghost enters his wolf...ya know the one named ghost
That’s the most popular theory. But Melisandre could burn him before that
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:24 pm
by intertwoven
Yeah, we can't have seen the last of him yet, right? (According to a popular fan theory) he's the titular song of ice and fire!
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:26 pm
by Jasper
An interview came out where Kit Harington says his character is dead and he's not coming back next season.
This is my understanding of it. I had a sit-down with Dan and David, we did the Tony Soprano walk [letting an actor know they’re being whacked]. And they said, “Look, you’re gone, it’s done.” And as far as the salary thing goes, that angered me when that story came out. I don’t know where it came from, but it was inaccurate in many ways. It’s going to put questions into your head and into fans’ heads that things are not what they are. Quite honestly, I have never been told the future of things in this show, but this is the one time I have. They sat me down and said, “This is how it is.” If anything in the future is not like that, then I don’t know about it – it’s only in David and Dan and George’s heads. But I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. So that’s all I can tell you, really.
This is intriguing. I read another where he said he wouldn't tell if he was coming back. But he definitely won't be for next season. It was nice to take a break from Bran's storyline. Looking forward to next season.
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:29 am
by perkana
intertwoven wrote:Yeah, we can't have seen the last of him yet, right? (According to a popular fan theory) he's the titular song of ice and fire!
but.....i was gonna read those two next wednesday...now you have ruined them for me....
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:40 am
by Jasper
It's hard to believe that they managed to ruin the character of Stannis, then kill him off, all in the course of only two episodes. I never wanted to see Stannis go out that way, but he'd become completely lost and deluded. Melisandre and Davos were like a little devil and a little angel, respectively, and when Stannis sent Davos away he was left alone with the devil. Luckily Davos is still with us, basically the most moral and level-headed aspect of Stannis. Melisandre is still around, but she's having a dark night of the soul. I was sort of hoping that Stannis would pull a Vader and throw her off a cliff or something, but there's no chance for any Stannis redemption now. Maybe Davos can throw her off a cliff instead.
So, I guess the death count of named characters is something like this:
Stannis - DEAD
Selyse (his wife) - DEAD
Meryn Trant - DEAD
Princess Myrcella - DEAD
Jon Snow - DEAD, at least for the foreseeable future
Theon/Reek - Possibly jumped to his death, but probably not
Sansa - Same as Theon, probably not dead
The Mountain - UNDEAD monstrosity
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:23 pm
by perkana
Jasper wrote:It's hard to believe that they managed to ruin the character of Stannis, then kill him off, all in the course of only two episodes. I never wanted to see Stannis go out that way, but he'd become completely lost and deluded. Melisandre and Davos were like a little devil and a little angel, respectively, and when Stannis sent Davos away he was left alone with the devil. Luckily Davos is still with us, basically the most moral and level-headed aspect of Stannis. Melisandre is still around, but she's having a dark night of the soul. I was sort of hoping that Stannis would pull a Vader and throw her off a cliff or something, but there's no chance for any Stannis redemption now. Maybe Davos can throw her off a cliff instead.
So, I guess the death count of named characters is something like this:
Stannis - DEAD
Selyse (his wife) - DEAD Shireen (his daughter) - BURNT ALIVE
Meryn Trant - DEAD
Princess Myrcella - DEAD
Jon Snow - DEAD, at least for the foreseeable future
Theon/Reek - Possibly jumped to his death, but probably not
Sansa - Same as Theon, probably not dead
The Mountain - UNDEAD monstrosity
Btw, where was Dolorous Edd when Jon got stabbed?
He was at the Hardhome massacre but I don't remember seeing him last night.
Third from l-r
Oh yeah, you forgot one more person. He's dying for sure. It starts with a J
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:59 pm
by Jasper
Well, it was a small group that killed Jon. I'm guessing Edd was just off in some other part of the castle, doing whatever people do there in their spare time.
I didn't mention Shireen because I was only listing people who died in the finale.
perkana wrote:Oh yeah, you forgot one more person. He's dying for sure. It starts with a J
Jaqen H'ghar? OK, but he didn't really die because he didn't really exist. Apparently he's only a mask No One puts on, and anyone who becomes No One can become Jaqen H'ghar, as we saw right after Jaqen H'ghar #1 died and Jaqen H'ghar #2 appeared. So no one died, and No One died. Was it the same No One that was with Arya from the time she fled King's Landing? I don't know. I don't know if it matters, because by the time someone becomes No One, apparently they really are No One, with no identity other than that of a servant serving the Many Faced God. All of the No Ones seem to be interchangeable.
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:12 pm
by perkana
Jasper wrote:Well, it was a small group that killed Jon. I'm guessing Edd was just off in some other part of the castle, doing whatever people do there in their spare time.
I didn't mention Shireen because I was only listing people who died in the finale.
perkana wrote:Oh yeah, you forgot one more person. He's dying for sure. It starts with a J
Jaqen H'ghar? OK, but he didn't really die because he didn't really exist. Apparently he's only a mask No One puts on, and anyone who becomes No One can become Jaqen H'ghar, as we saw right after Jaqen H'ghar #1 died and Jaqen H'ghar #2 appeared. So no one died, and No One died. Was it the same No One that was with Arya from the time she fled King's Landing? I don't know. I don't know if it matters, because by the time someone becomes No One, apparently they really are No One, with no identity other than that of a servant serving the Many Faced God. All of the No Ones seem to be interchangeable.
Yeah, I dunno, and I'm too busy to check. The guy who got roasted by the dragon? Or maybe the guy who Dany executed and pissed off the whole city?
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:22 pm
by perkana
Jorah contracting greyscale. Don't know how fast it progresses.
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:18 pm
by Jasper
perkana wrote:Jorah contracting greyscale. Don't know how fast it progresses.
That's an illness, not a death. I doubt it's going to progress so fast that the season six premier will have people talking about how it's too bad Jorah died. He could also be sent off to live with the stone men. I don't know if that counts as death or not. Also, we know of at least one case where it was cured. Maybe Sam will end up curing it when he becomes a Maester. Who knows? If not, it gives Jorah the opportunity to heroically sacrifice himself. At some point this show has to let at least one person make a heroic sacrifice instead of just being butchered . . . right?
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:21 pm
by perkana
Well, you not being you it kinda is to me Plus, it's contagious. He might be off'd. Who knows...
Honestly, I'm getting tired of him. Or maybe I'm still resentful about Jon's death.
Re: Game of Thrones (HBO)
Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:04 pm
by Jasper
Jorah didn't die this season. It didn't happen. There's no way in hell that we're not going to see Jorah next season, though maybe he could die next season. Hell, anybody could die at any time, except maybe Dany, but with Ned and Jon dead, anything could happen. I still can't believe Jon's permanently dead. Maybe he'll be reborn as another being in season 7 or something. It just seems really weird.
