Re: True Detective
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:14 pm
I think that was the only way it would hurt him, yeah, didn't like it had to be Rust. But hey, let's see how things turn out. And I agree PM, I don't like him as a person, talking about double standards.Jasper wrote:It was absolutely a dick move by Maggie. She destroyed Rust and Marty's partnership and played a big role in Rust leaving the force.
I had sympathy for her before, and I'd possibly have some sympathy with her for cheating on Marty for revenge, but that shit was unacceptable.
They though Ledoux was the Yellow King.Jasper wrote:So, Charlie Lange tells Marty and Rust that Reggie Ledoux spoke of being involved with rich old men who did Satanic worship and killing in the woods and so on. He mentions that this involved "The Yellow King" and Carcosa.
Marty and Rust bust/kill Ledoux and his fat cousin (?), and completely forget about the rest of it for seven years. Seven years of women and children being abducted, raped, killed, etc.
It's not until, by dumb luck, Rust is reminded of the Yellow King and the claim of powerful people being involved in a larger cult.
Nice going, detectives.
Well, they never say any such thing. It's never mentioned. They talk about getting their man, but never in terms of any of the Yellow King gibberish. Charlie Lange says that Reggie Ledoux told him about The Yellow King, not that Reggie was the Yellow King. Charlie Lange told them about all of these rich, powerful people who gather in the woods with old stones and such, devil worshiping and sacrificing women and children. Hart & Cohle completely disregard all of that after finding Ledoux. That's my only point. You would think someone with the obsessive nature and intellectual curiosity possessed by Cohle would have followed up on some of that, especially since he knows the governor and Reverend Tuttle were taking over the investigation with their task force.hokahey wrote:They though Ledoux was the Yellow King.
Rust isn't reminded, he's informed they didn't get their man.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/27/true- ... -season-1/INTERVIEWER: The cult possibly responsible for the murders worships a figure known as “The Yellow King” and refers to a place called “Carcosa.” These words come from Chambers’ book. Will you make plain what they mean to the world of True Detective?
NIC PIZZOLATTO: Yeah, I think so. To be clear, in our show, nobody is going to reference a book by Robert Chambers called The King In Yellow. Then we’d just have an episode where Hart and Cohle are just reading The King In Yellow. … I just did a DVD commentary that plainly explains [the mythological backstory], but a lot of things are left in fragments for the viewer to piece together about how we arrived at where we arrive. You know, you can Google “Satanism” “preschool” and “Louisiana” and you’ll be surprised at what you get. But instead of having our Satan worshippers worship Satan, they worship The Yellow King. [Note: When we tried doing as Pizzoletto suggests, we came up with this disturbing story of real-life Satanic Ritual Abuse in Lousiana: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/25/natio ... d=all&_r=0]
I never thought that, and I don't even think the viewership was really supposed to have any suspicions about Rust being the killer that linger past the first episode or two. It makes zero sense. It's more about what the deal is with the detectives and what they're after from Rust.Adurentibus Spina wrote:My view for the whole show has always been that they've left open the possibility (and subtle suggestions) that Rust is the guy. But as the show has gone on that seems less and less plausible, given the other people they're now discovering are involved.
We're definitely going into the heart of darkness. I think that's safe to say. It's hard to think that they could tie everything up in a single episode. They don't need to...I'm OK with a pretty high level of ambiguity, so long as it's done well. Something like the end of Breaking Bad could seem much too tidy. Rust makes some kind of comment about how "nothing is ever solved in this world". Will we get total tragedy and failure, success with tragedy, success without tragedy, partial success with partial tragedy, or...?Adurentibus Spina wrote:I'm hoping for a wild finale, but I kind of suspect they're just going to finish with where we've been led already... they'll discover that a ton of people are involved, and then one of the guys'll get shot by some sheriff or something, and then life will go on and the show will be over, and the next season won't be as good as this one.
From what I've read the next season will be different actors, different story, different geography. This story will be resolved in some way in episode 8.Jasper wrote:I never thought that, and I don't even think the viewership was really supposed to have any suspicions about Rust being the killer that linger past the first episode or two. It makes zero sense. It's more about what the deal is with the detectives and what they're after from Rust.Adurentibus Spina wrote:My view for the whole show has always been that they've left open the possibility (and subtle suggestions) that Rust is the guy. But as the show has gone on that seems less and less plausible, given the other people they're now discovering are involved.
We're definitely going into the heart of darkness. I think that's safe to say. It's hard to think that they could tie everything up in a single episode. They don't need to...I'm OK with a pretty high level of ambiguity, so long as it's done well. Something like the end of Breaking Bad could seem much too tidy. Rust makes some kind of comment about how "nothing is ever solved in this world". Will we get total tragedy and failure, success with tragedy, success without tragedy, partial success with partial tragedy, or...?Adurentibus Spina wrote:I'm hoping for a wild finale, but I kind of suspect they're just going to finish with where we've been led already... they'll discover that a ton of people are involved, and then one of the guys'll get shot by some sheriff or something, and then life will go on and the show will be over, and the next season won't be as good as this one.
I'm torn between not wanting a by-the-numbers ending and wanting victory and redemption for our heroes. Nic Pizzolatto was a writing professor, so he knows the tropes and he knows the pitfalls. Hopefully his background can help him come up with a special way to tie it off.
I agree that there's not much chance of the next season being as good as this one. I'm willing to give it a try, but maybe this should be treated as a one-off miniseries.
The telling of the story will end with the eighth episode. How much resolution there will be remains to be seen.blackcoffee wrote:From what I've read the next season will be different actors, different story, different geography. This story will be resolved in some way in episode 8.
Twin suns...Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake, (see below)
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.
Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.
Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
—"Cassilda's Song" in The King in Yellow Act 1, Scene 2
Robert W. Chambers (1895)
I've heard people say this, but I don't quite know why. Then again, Audrey (Marty/Maggie's daughter) seems to have somehow seen something of the cult and we don't know how. I've heard people accuse her Grandfather (Maggie's dad). Maggie just doesn't seem to have done a thing to deserve the accusation. She was wearing stars in the last episode...but they were white stars. I guess she could have seen something as well and repressed it. Someone suggested that maybe Maggie's father had a copy of that cult sacrifice video, and that's what Audrey saw. I guess that's one possibility.creep wrote:my prediction....hart's wife was involved in some way with the murders and hart is either killed or kills himself.
Wait...what white crown? Do you mean the daughters with the toy crown? Anyways, I don't think Marty's involved in a million years. There are so many reasons I think that will never, ever happen. I'm not very confident in making predictions, but I'm 100% convinced that Marty is not a cultist.Juana wrote:I'm thinking that Marty has something to do with this in one way or the other because Maggie has that white crown. He might even be the yellow king.
i just think with all of the clues that you have seen with that family that someone is involved. marty seems to be too obvious of a choice at this point. i didn't even think of her father. that makes sense too.Jasper wrote:I've heard people say this, but I don't quite know why. Then again, Audrey (Marty/Maggie's daughter) seems to have somehow seen something of the cult and we don't know how. I've heard people accuse her Grandfather (Maggie's dad). Maggie just doesn't seem to have done a thing to deserve the accusation. She was wearing stars in the last episode...but they were white stars. I guess she could have seen something as well and repressed it. Someone suggested that maybe Maggie's father had a copy of that cult sacrifice video, and that's what Audrey saw. I guess that's one possibility.creep wrote:my prediction....hart's wife was involved in some way with the murders and hart is either killed or kills himself.
Do you suspect Maggie because she...doesn't seem suspicious?
There are many clues that the daughter saw something, but that's about it. I just can't see Maggie being involved. Doesn't make sense and seems like a dumb/cheap twist. As for Marty, I don't know why Marty would be an obvious suspect. I think Marty is the opposite of an obvious suspect. I think that Marty is clearly not involved in any way shape or form. Marty's worst issues are his temper, infidelity, and (as he says) inattentiveness. Assuming his daughter saw or experienced something, I'd have to say Marty's only culpability would be that he wasn't paying attention to his family, and thus didn't catch it. I absolutely write off Marty, and pretty much Maggie as well (Maggie has one fucked up daughter out of two, and once wore white stars...that's all I can come up with )creep wrote:i just think with all of the clues that you have seen with that family that someone is involved. marty seems to be too obvious of a choice at this point. i didn't even think of her father. that makes sense too.