bruce springsteen
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Artists I respect but do not like their work:
Bob Dylan(!)
Billy Joel
Genesis/Phil Collins (although I do like Peter Gabriel)
Huey Lewis
Oasis
Allman Bros
REM
ELP and most 70's prog-rock bands
The Jam, English Beat and most other early 80's ska
Artists I neither respect or like:
Courtney Love
Ted Nugent
Michael Jackson
Black Eyed Peas (although I think Fergie could be a great rock singer)
Fred Durst/Limp Bizkit, Korn and all that "nu-metal" crap
Bon Jovi, Poison, Winger and most late 80's LA hair metal
Any modern band that has a DJ
Barbara Striesand
Always more but that's off the top of my head....
Bob Dylan(!)
Billy Joel
Genesis/Phil Collins (although I do like Peter Gabriel)
Huey Lewis
Oasis
Allman Bros
REM
ELP and most 70's prog-rock bands
The Jam, English Beat and most other early 80's ska
Artists I neither respect or like:
Courtney Love
Ted Nugent
Michael Jackson
Black Eyed Peas (although I think Fergie could be a great rock singer)
Fred Durst/Limp Bizkit, Korn and all that "nu-metal" crap
Bon Jovi, Poison, Winger and most late 80's LA hair metal
Any modern band that has a DJ
Barbara Striesand
Always more but that's off the top of my head....
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Pink Floydcreep wrote:bruce springsteenclickie wrote:give us some examples..
About half of Radiohead
A Perfect Circle
I guess there's a lot more, but I can't think of anything off the top of my head (it's been a while since I've listened to anything I respected but also didn't like...)
Also, Pandemonium's dislike of Bob Dylan explains a lot about our disagreements about music/industry, etc.
How can you not like this song?
I mean, I know how you can not like it (you SUCK, that's how!) But that's my point.
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MJ surprises mePandemonium wrote:Artists I respect but do not like their work:
Bob Dylan(!)
Billy Joel
Genesis/Phil Collins (although I do like Peter Gabriel)
Huey Lewis
Oasis
Allman Bros
REM
ELP and most 70's prog-rock bands
The Jam, English Beat and most other early 80's ska
Artists I neither respect or like:
Courtney Love
Ted Nugent
Michael Jackson
Black Eyed Peas (although I think Fergie could be a great rock singer)
Fred Durst/Limp Bizkit, Korn and all that "nu-metal" crap
Bon Jovi, Poison, Winger and most late 80's LA hair metal
Any modern band that has a DJ
Barbara Striesand
Always more but that's off the top of my head....
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Pandemonium has screwy taste in music... not sure why.
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I actually like a lot of other artists covers of Dylan's songs. As a writer/lyricist, he's unimpeachable. I just can't handle Dylan singing/playing 90% of his own stuff.Adurentibus Spina wrote:Also, Pandemonium's dislike of Bob Dylan explains a lot about our disagreements about music/industry, etc.
How can you not like this song?
I mean, I know how you can not like it (you SUCK, that's how!) But that's my point.
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Yeah I get it... I think taste is complex... and most of it isn't chosen.
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I totally agree with you on your second list, but Barbra. I do like her a lot and would love to see her live some day. Wtf with Fergie?Pandemonium wrote:Artists I respect but do not like their work:
Bob Dylan(!)
Billy Joel
Genesis/Phil Collins (although I do like Peter Gabriel)
Huey Lewis
Oasis
Allman Bros
REM
ELP and most 70's prog-rock bands
The Jam, English Beat and most other early 80's ska
Artists I neither respect or like:
Courtney Love
Ted Nugent
Michael Jackson
Black Eyed Peas (although I think Fergie could be a great rock singer)
Fred Durst/Limp Bizkit, Korn and all that "nu-metal" crap
Bon Jovi, Poison, Winger and most late 80's LA hair metal
Any modern band that has a DJ
Barbara Striesand
Always more but that's off the top of my head....
I liked MJ up until Thriller, totally disliked him after the molestation accusations and I really didn't like his music
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I saw The Black Eyed Peas open for U2 a few years ago at Dodger Stadium and it was a totally obnoxious set until Slash came on and they did a cover of Guns n' Roses' Sweet Child Of Mine and she blew me away with her vox on that song.perkana wrote:Wtf with Fergie?
Yeah, the molestation accusations, pay-offs and general freakishness totally killed any respect I had for the guy despite his talent.perkana wrote:I liked MJ up until Thriller, totally disliked him after the molestation accusations and I really didn't like his music
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I saw Barbra about 6 years ago with Il Divo.perkana wrote: I totally agree with you on your second list, but Barbra. I do like her a lot and would love to see her live some day.
She sounds even better live. She also has a great rapport with the audience telling stories.
Il Divo I thought was kind of . They have great voices but they waste it on that popera crap they sing.
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Really? What the hell are you doing as a JA fan?general freakishness totally killed any respect I had for the guy despite his talent.
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Perry starts physically morphing his ethnicity and paying off parents of kids he has over for "sleepovers," I'll revisit the subject.Adurentibus Spina wrote:Really? What the hell are you doing as a JA fan?general freakishness totally killed any respect I had for the guy despite his talent.
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One day you will thank me for hooking you up with this band:Adurentibus Spina wrote:
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Did I really need to be hooked up with yet another among thousands of Joy Division influenced uncreative bands?Pandemonium wrote:One day you will thank me for hooking you up with this band:Adurentibus Spina wrote:
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so I guess you are a big MJ fan hyper, I totally respect that, but what does it have to do with being a Jane's fan? And are you going to be one of those people who criticize others for not being fans enough or what? Cause I hate that attitude.
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I really like her (big Yentl fan), wanted to see her at Carnegie Hall. Almost went with my sister for her birthday, too bad I didn't have the moneyArtemis wrote:I saw Barbra about 6 years ago with Il Divo.perkana wrote: I totally agree with you on your second list, but Barbra. I do like her a lot and would love to see her live some day.
She sounds even better live. She also has a great rapport with the audience telling stories.
Il Divo I thought was kind of . They have great voices but they waste it on that popera crap they sing.
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Well, actually, I don't think of myself as a fan of Michael Jackson at all. Like everybody else, I like Thriller (and Bad), and that's about it. I was just bugging Pandemonium.perkana wrote:so I guess you are a big MJ fan hyper, I totally respect that, but what does it have to do with being a Jane's fan? And are you going to be one of those people who criticize others for not being fans enough or what? Cause I hate that attitude.
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oh ok...I just never liked Bad.
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perkana wrote:oh ok...I just never liked Bad.
I also found Pandemonium's remarks about MJ's appearance somewhat offensive. Vitiligo is a real disease and I know people who have it. Yeah, he was a freak, but not because of the skin colour change. The surgeries are another thing entirely, but I can imagine if I had vitiligo, and had been seriously burned in a Pepsi commercial, and was a child star, I'd make some fucked up decisions too.
Gah... I'm not even a fan of the guy... but in a thread about Bruce Springsteen... I guess it's come to this.
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I think he referred more to him changing his appearance re: nose...Didn't see any skin color reference
Haha, how funny life turns out to be sometimes. I do that sometimes (defending something/someone I don't even like that much in the first place)
And he was really fucked up because of being subjected to abuse by his dad. But still, he shouldn't have abused those children either.
Haha, how funny life turns out to be sometimes. I do that sometimes (defending something/someone I don't even like that much in the first place)
And he was really fucked up because of being subjected to abuse by his dad. But still, he shouldn't have abused those children either.
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no joke, if somebody asked me to make a "top ten list of things you find uninteresting" bruce springsteen would be near the top.
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All my flirting in 6th grade was based on this video. I fixed that the following year.Adurentibus Spina wrote:perkana wrote:oh ok...I just never liked Bad.
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I took that to be at least included in this: "morphing his ethnicity". And I think what he did to his face, while tragic, has nothing to do with what he did or didn't do with kids. Like I said, if you had vitiligo, you might end up doing some fucked up things to try to make yourself look normal again (and fail).perkana wrote:I think he referred more to him changing his appearance re: nose...Didn't see any skin color reference
I think Dave Chappelle's bit on this sums it up:Haha, how funny life turns out to be sometimes. I do that sometimes (defending something/someone I don't even like that much in the first place)
And he was really fucked up because of being subjected to abuse by his dad. But still, he shouldn't have abused those children either.
What I always found fucked up about the whole thing is how many people/handlers Michael must have had around him at almost all times, and how many times these people could have stepped in to stop his more destructive behaviours, but didn't. I believe a fucked up human like MJ has diminished responsibility, and ought to be treated as such.
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His skin color and hair was the least of his physical alterations. He willfully had his face re-sculpted to a more Caucasian appearance to the point his nose basically disintegrated. I guess I should have been more accurate in my description - he wasn't trying to change his ethnicity, he was trying to change his species.Adurentibus Spina wrote:I took that to be at least included in this: "morphing his ethnicity". And I think what he did to his face, while tragic, has nothing to do with what he did or didn't do with kids. Like I said, if you had vitiligo, you might end up doing some fucked up things to try to make yourself look normal again (and fail).
http://anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html
He lost any pass when he repeatedly took advantage of young boys and paid off equally repulsive parents who put their kids in the position to be abused.Adurentibus Spina wrote:I believe a fucked up human like MJ has diminished responsibility, and ought to be treated as such.
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Maybe to push this back towards the thread topic... there are a couple of different ways the original question could be answered.
Pandemonium's lack of "respect" for Michael Jackson seems to be in terms of 'respect as a human being'... sort of like...not respecting Hitler's paintings. And that is supposed to be separate from the question of whether you like the art.
But I think this is muddled. Maybe some people tie art and morality together in this way (Pandemonium seems to), but I don't think this is a very clear way of talking about art. E.g., Wagner was a raging anti-semite, but I love quite a lot of his music, artistically speaking.
Pandemonium's lack of "respect" for Michael Jackson seems to be in terms of 'respect as a human being'... sort of like...not respecting Hitler's paintings. And that is supposed to be separate from the question of whether you like the art.
But I think this is muddled. Maybe some people tie art and morality together in this way (Pandemonium seems to), but I don't think this is a very clear way of talking about art. E.g., Wagner was a raging anti-semite, but I love quite a lot of his music, artistically speaking.
In Bruce Springsteen's case, I respect what he does because I think it's well executed. I don't like it because... taste.Wilde, Preface to The Picture of Dorian Gray wrote:The artist is the creator of beautiful things. To reveal art and conceal the artist is art's aim. The critic is he who can translate into another manner or a new material his impression of beautiful things.
The highest as the lowest form of criticism is a mode of autobiography. Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming. This is a fault.
Those who find beautiful meanings in beautiful things are the cultivated. For these there is hope. They are the elect to whom beautiful things mean only beauty.
There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.