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How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby perkana » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:15 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/douglas-anthony-cooper/canada-attack-resort_b_1232486.html
People ask me, regularly, how they can travel safely to Mexico. Here I have impeccable advice: follow this, and you're pretty much guaranteed to keep your head. Taking notes? Good.

Do not, under any circumstances, take a job with a major drug cartel. Just say no. You do not want to be a hit man, or a mule, or even middle management -- that's how people get killed.

I mean it: that is how people get killed. Sunbathing, on the other hand, is oddly uneventful. Yes, there are a few places in Mexico that I would avoid, unless I were applying for that gig (which I urge you to reconsider). Most border towns are not the destination of choice, except I suppose when brothel-hopping, in which case I'm told a soupçon of danger is bracing (and well-deserved). Acapulco too has declined. It was once a town in which you had a good chance of having a bad time. It is now a town in which you have no chance of having a good time.

Mexico's homicide rate as a nation isn't even world-class. The country is in fact something of a sissy relative to the thugs in the neighborhood. Before avoiding Mexico, cross the following nations off your list: Honduras, El Salvador, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Venezuela, Jamaica, Belize, Guatemala, Bahamas, Columbia, South Africa, Trinidad and Tobago, Brazil... ah, but I'm boring you. I shouldn't be: All of these countries -- and this is only half the list -- are murderfests relative to Mexico. Some of these places are worse than Miami.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Bandit72 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:00 am

Haven't there been more deaths in Mexico since 2006 than in the whole Afghan/eye-raq conflict?
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby perkana » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:37 am

Mexico: 40 thousand...(since 2006)
Iraq: more than a million (since 2003)
From what I found online
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Bandit72 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:48 am

I was meaning more allied casualties. Plus the fact they are spending/have been spending far more on that war than trying to sort out the cartels.

It's weird, I was in Mexico for a month in 2000 (the majority in non tourist places) going from DF - Guadalajara - Tequila - Tepic - Vallarta and didn't see any trouble. Granted this is before Calderon but it was obviously still happening. We were even advised not to say too much to taxi beetle drivers in D.F. On one of our last nights there we dragged the driver out sat on his bonnet and got out photo taken.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Hokahey » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:51 am

I was born in right on the border with Juarez. Juarez has been fucked up and scary since I was a kid.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby perkana » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:47 pm

What I meant by posting that article was that not all Mexico is violence ridden, and that you have to take the same safety measurements as anywhere else. Period. I think the writer hit the nail on that.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Bandit72 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:22 pm

hokahey wrote:I was born in right on the border with Juarez. Juarez has been fucked up and scary since I was a kid.


El Paso? Juarez is fucked but I hear El Paso is the second safest city in the US.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Hokahey » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:24 pm

Bandit72 wrote:
hokahey wrote:I was born in right on the border with Juarez. Juarez has been fucked up and scary since I was a kid.


El Paso? Juarez is fucked but I hear El Paso is the second safest city in the US.



Yup. Is it? I dont know. Havent been there in years.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Bandit72 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:40 pm

EL PASO, Texas -- For the first time, El Paso has been named the city with the lowest crime rate in the United States with a population of over 500,000 residents.
Officials said El Paso Police Chief Greg Allen was proud to announce the ranking, which has just been released by CQ Press in its latest city crime rankings.
Honolulu, HI was the second safest city and New York, NY was the third.
Since 1997, El Paso has been ranked in the second or third spot of safest cities by this independent study. Other Texas cities in the top 10 are Austin at No. 6 and Fort Worth at No. 10.


I guess because it's FULL of law enforcement.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Hokahey » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:48 pm

Bandit72 wrote:
EL PASO, Texas -- For the first time, El Paso has been named the city with the lowest crime rate in the United States with a population of over 500,000 residents.
Officials said El Paso Police Chief Greg Allen was proud to announce the ranking, which has just been released by CQ Press in its latest city crime rankings.
Honolulu, HI was the second safest city and New York, NY was the third.
Since 1997, El Paso has been ranked in the second or third spot of safest cities by this independent study. Other Texas cities in the top 10 are Austin at No. 6 and Fort Worth at No. 10.


I guess because it's FULL of law enforcement.



I find that very surprising considering the slums of Mexico are right across the border. Interesting.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Matz » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:04 pm

perkana wrote:Do not, under any circumstances, take a job with a major drug cartel. Just say no. You do not want to be a hit man, or a mule, or even middle management -- that's how people get killed.



I think I had that part down before reading it
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby perkana » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:26 pm

This video has gone viral since yesterday, it's done by a movement who support the victims' families...everybody in the video are artists, in the end they show the real people. It's in Spanish but it's pretty neat
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Larry B. » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:22 pm

Good vid... terrible situation.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby kv » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:15 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/02/american-missionaries-killed-mexico_n_1249511.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D132322

this is from today and at the bottom of the page there is a story of how 2 ambulances were taken out as well lol
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby perkana » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:59 pm

I wasn't surprised, but those nasty comments from Texans were just awful
Only comment I agree with...
I don't understand why these missionary­'s put themselves in such danger. Stay out of dangerous places or reap the consequenc­es. Enough already.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Bandit72 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:19 am

http://www.blogdelnarco.com/ has decent coverage on the cartel war.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby perkana » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:05 pm

Don't know if you've heard about the "Fast and Furious" program run by the DEA?
The House committee has been investigating the actions by ATF and Justice Department officials involving the gun trafficking case that resulted in about 2,000 guns being allowed to go to drug cartels and criminal groups in Mexico. The ATF operation took a tragic toll when two guns linked to the operation were found near slain U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry on Dec. 14, 2010.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/attorney-general-eric-holder-disgusted-by-personal-attacks-at-fast-and-furious-hearing/
Also a good read
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/world/americas/us-drug-agents-launder-profits-of-mexican-cartels.html?pagewanted=all
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Matz » Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:33 pm

I wonder how many major drug lords there are in South America these days? Like Escobar type people
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Bandit72 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:21 pm

Matz wrote:I wonder how many major drug lords there are in South America these days? Like Escobar type people


I imagine quite a few. The money that is involved is HUGE. Money buys them politicians, police, the army you name it. And if you can't be bought, you can be killed.
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Re: How to avoid getting killed in Mexico

Postby Matz » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:22 pm

maybe, but I'm guessing that there are only room for so many.
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