Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:40 pm

Forgot to mention that yesterday EPN made a big deal about getting a number for emergencies after what has happened :eyes:
The only good thing about that has been the tons of memes derived from it.
"Sometimes I want to call 911and then I remember that the police is the one who kidnaps me and murders me"
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby SR » Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:26 pm

haven't commented here because I believe the solution is impossible. Sorry Perk
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:25 pm

There is one, not a peaceful one. But there is.
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:59 pm

Soldiers are getting inside universities, looking for people who have participated in demonstrations for the missing students. This is nothing new. Same thing happened back in 68. The difference now is that people use social media to upload videos like the next one:

This young man has been an activist ever since EPN became a presidential candidate (the student movement Yo soy 132, look for it online).
His mom said that there is a network of parents who help each other and when one of their kids is picked up by cops, they move as fast as they can to know where they are sent so they can be released. Sandino was picked up around 5 pm near a subway station yesterday. He was released by midnight thanks to this video. Amnesty International is asking for the release of the eleven protestors and the UN has been involved too. So sorry SR, but I disagree with you. You just don't know what we've been through.
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:50 am

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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby SR » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:29 am

That's true perk. I don't dont know, and as usual I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:27 pm

I just know that we're so fucking fed up, instead of being intimidated by repression, we've just stopped being scared. Another news to be happy about, thanks to civic and legal actions, the 11 protesters were freed yesterday.

We'll keep fighting, though. Some people won't go to work tomorrow and will participate in more demonstrations. First time in years that I've seen my people being so close and supportive with each other.
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby SR » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:29 pm

perkana wrote:I just know that we're so fucking fed up, instead of being intimidated by repression, we've just stopped being scared. Another news to be happy about, thanks to civic actions the 11 protesters were freed yesterday.First time in years that I've seen my people being so close and supportive with each other.
awesome. Glad to hear
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:19 am

Dunno if any of you participate in demonstrations, but today there will be lots in the US (in 43 cities = 43 missing students). Here's the list of the confirmed cities so far (lots in Cali)
http://ustired2.com/cities/
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby mockbee » Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:37 am

perkana wrote:Dunno if any of you participate in demonstrations, but today there will be lots in the US (in 43 cities = 43 missing students). Here's the list of the confirmed cities so far (lots in Cali)



That's awesome. I hope it spreads. Mexico is such a good country, the government needs to take action before it gets more out of control.
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:41 pm

One found, 42 to go :sad:
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:46 am

I was just too sad to post more about this. Can you imagine just getting a molar and a bone fragment of your son back? My heart goes out to his dad.
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Forensic-Experts-Identify-Remains-of-One-Ayotzinapa-Student-20141206-0021.html
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:14 pm

Translated from Proceso Iguala: The Unofficial History

Mexico City: Federal Forces participated in the attack on Ayotzinapa students the night of September 26 in Iguala, Guerrero, during which three normalistas died and 43 went missing in a series of events that were known in real time by the federal government.
A study carried out with the support of the Investigative Reporting Program of UC Berkeley based on testimonies, videos, unpublished reports and court statements shows that the Federal Police (PF) were actively and directly involved in the attack. The new investigation contradicts previous statements from the PGR.

Furthermore, according to information obtained by Proceso in the Normal School of Ayotzinapa, the attack and disappearance of the students were directed specifically at the ideological and governance structure of the institution, as some of the 43 missing students were part of the Comité de Lucha Estudiantil (Student Action Committee), the highest governing body of the school and 10 of the victims were “political activists in training” of the Comité de Orientación Política e Ideológica (Committee on Political and Ideological Orientation) or COPI.

Until now the official version is that the then mayor of Iguala, Jose Luis Abarca, ordered the attack, concerned about the possibility that students would interrupt the activity of his wife, María de los Ángeles Pineda Villa, head of Desarrollo Integral de la Familia (DIF).

According to this version, municipal police of Iguala and the adjoining town of Cocula attacked and captured the students, while members of the cartel Guerreros Unidos murdered and burned their bodies, with the lack of federal agents and soldiers in the area. However, the documents and testimony obtained reveal a different story.
Audiovideos captured by witnesses to the attack on normalistas from Ayotzinapa:

An unpublished Guerrero government report – dated in October and delivered to the Secretary of the Interior (SEGOB) over a month ago and obtained by Proceso concerning the events of 26 and 27 September said that the students were monitored by agents of the state and federal governments from the time they left the Normal school facilities in Ayotzinapa.

According to the document, the Control, Command, Communications and Computer Center (C4) of Chilpancingo reported that the normalistas started out from Ayotzinapa towards Iguala at 17:59 hours. At 20:00 the federal and state police arrived at the Chilpancingo-Iguala federal highway, where the students started a highway collection. At 21:22 hours the head of the base of the federal police, Luis Antonio Dorantes, was informed of the entry of young people to the bus station and at 21:40 the Iguala C4 reported the first shooting.

In a press conference on November 7 the prosecutor Jesús Murillo Karam said that federal authorities were not involved in the September 26 attack on the normalistas from Ayotzinapa. The new investigation directly contradicts the official version of events surrounding the September 26 attack in Iguala.
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:21 pm

Took a break during holidays...recently scientists, witnesses and one of the students families' lawyers think that soldiers tortured them, killed them and burned them in their own incinerators. They have refuted the Office of the Mexican Attorney-General's hypotheses.
Couldn't find any news in English, but if you're interested, you can translate the next ones with your browser (with Chrome, just right click on the page and choose 'translate to English').
http://www.sinembargo.mx/06-01-2015/1209087
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2015/01/04/politica/008n1pol
http://www.cencos.org/comunicacion/cientificos-desmienten-a-pgr
Richard Trumka, president of AFL-CIO (American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations), stresses that the attack on the student teachers is not an isolated issue in a crisis marked by serious problems of corruption, abuse and official impunity, all of which is also expressed in labor relations.
Activist groups have called for protests in Washington, at the White House, and other cities on Tuesday against the meeting of the presidents. They claim that political cooperation in security have led to serious abuses in Mexico, as the Ayotzinapa and Tlatlaya cases.
The common demand is to end the Mérida Initiative programs and others until it is clarified and made justice in what they consider one of the worst human rights crisis in America. Among the groups are Mexicanos sin Fronteras, Mexicanos Unidos, School of the Americas Watch, # USTired2 and Washington Peace Center.
In Los Angeles, members of the Latin American Coalition for Aytozinapa and the Independent Coordinator delivered letters on Monday to the offices of the two federal senators from California, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, expressing concern at the serious wave of violence in Mexico and violations of human rights in the country, even against relatives of the signatories.
They request that both legislators schedule public hearings on the issue, and discuss the suspension of US assistance to foreign forces violators of human rights, as considered in the case of the government of Enrique Peña Nieto.

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2015/01/06/politica/004n1pol
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby chaos » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:31 am

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/27/mexico-missing-students.html

Mexico official declares 43 missing students dead

Parents challenge conclusion a day after Mexico City protests mark four months since students’ disappearance

January 27, 2015 6:15PM ET
by Al Jazeera Staff

Mexico's attorney general on Tuesday said that evidence shows that all 43 students missing since clashing with police in September in Guerrero state were killed and incinerated at a garbage dump — a claim parents of the students challenged one day after mass protests marked four months since their disappearance.

Attorney General Jesús Murillo Karam cited confessions and forensic evidence from the spot near a garbage dump where he said the students were killed and incinerated shortly after being seized by police in the southern city of Iguala.

It was the first time Murillo had bluntly declared all of the students dead, despite DNA identification of only one student and the declaration from a forensics lab in Innsbruck, Austria, that it was unable to find DNA that could be used to identify charred remains.

"The evidence allows us to determine that the students were kidnapped, killed, burned and thrown into the river," Murillo said in a press conference that included a video reconstruction of the mass murder and of the investigation into the case.

But a forensics team from Argentina called in to test human remains has said it was impossible to know if the samples provided by the government came from the incinerated remains found near Iguala.

Widespread public outrage over the disappearances has jolted the government of President Enrique Peña Nieto. Millions of protesters have taken to the streets since September, often accusing police and the state government of complicity in the crimes.

Murillo has come under fire from many circles, including the parents and experts from Mexican universities who say the government's version of what happened is implausible.

The attorney general said he based his conclusion on 39 confessions and evidence at the scene. Murillo’s office said it obtained a key confession on Jan. 15 from gang member Felipe Rodríguez Salgado, whose declaration coincided with those made by three other gang members who allegedly participated in the executions.

Police authorities have said gang members killed and incinerated the students on Sept. 26, and that their remains were bagged and thrown into a nearby river in the following days.

Iguala’s former mayor, José Luis Abarca, has been charged with the kidnapping of the students, after confessions revealed he ordered the police crackdown on them.

The parents, who blame the state for the disappearances, remain determined to find their children alive and have consistently criticized Peña Nieto's government for its handling of the case.

During Monday’s Mexico City protests, which drew thousands of demonstrators, relatives of the students insisted that they will continue searching for their family members until there is conclusive scientific evidence that confirms the deaths.


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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby kv » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:46 pm

time to start sweeping it under the rug...wow
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:14 pm

They've been trying to do that since November. Motherfuckers. Now they are telling us to move on :eyes:
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:29 pm

What has been speculated is that they were disappeared because some of them (8 or 9 I think) belonged to a group that has formed social leaders like Lucio Cabañas. Plus, the government has always wanted to shut down these rural schools. So they are not fooling us.
Heard this morning on the radio that their parents are going to ask the UN's Human Rights Watch to back them up on their proposal to use the Argentinian forensics team to help them confirm these findings.
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Re: Ayotzinapa killing and missing students

Postby perkana » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:00 pm

On Tuesday March 10th at San Diego City College a press conference was held announcing the upcoming arrival of three caravans planned to begin travelling across the country, including one which will arrive in San Diego on March 23. All caravans will include students from Ayotzinapa and family members of some of the 43 normalistas that went missing from Guerrero, Mexico, this past September, with remains of all students except one yet to be found.
The arrival of one of the three caravans in San Diego on the 23rd will be the beginning of more than 45 cities in the U.S. that will be visited. The U.S. is also the first country outside of Mexico to call for action.
“One is the caravan Pacific that is going from San Diego to the Seattle. Then there is a caravan in the center of the country that is going from Texas up to Chicago. Then you have a caravan in the Atlantic coast that will travel up—and the three caravans will travel to Washington D.C. and end in New York,” said panel member and San Diego City College Professor Enrique Davalos.
The demands of the Caravan, taken from a print out passed out during the event, are the following:
1. That the United States government stop the aid in the form of arms, ammunition and military hardware. Due to the fact that most of this aid is in large part responsible for the thousands of deaths and massive human rights violations in its neighboring country.
2. The United States apply international pressure to the Mexican government that they return the 42 kidnapped students alive.

http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/03/caravan-43-to-travel-across-the-u-s/
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