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Far-right gains in European elections

#1 Post by MorningGlory123 » Mon May 26, 2014 6:25 pm

France's far-right National Front has won a nationwide election for the first time, as far-right parties across Europe caused a political "earthquake," with a string of victories in voting for the European Parliament. The National Front, led by Marine Le Pen, notched up 24.95% of the vote in France, according to official estimates, well ahead of mainstream parties UMP and the Socialist Party. Le Pen said the win showed that people want to see change in Europe. France's Socialist Prime Minister Manuel Valls said the result was "more than a warning. It is a shock, an earthquake."

Right-wing parties also gained ground in the UK, Denmark and Austria, according to projections posted on the European Parliament's official elections website. Voters across Europe have been casting ballots for days in the parliamentary vote. There are 751 seats from 28 countries up for grabs. With most of the ballots counted, provisional results indicate that left-center and right-center parties will still hold a majority of seats in the European Parliament, which plays a key role in shaping European laws and will weigh in on who the European Commission's next President should be. But right-wing parties and other so-called Euroskeptic groups who oppose the European Union are gaining ground, said Simon Usherwood, an expert on European politics at the University of Surrey. "I think what's really changed is you're seeing a lot more groups on the edges, particularly with the far right, who are going to be much more of a feature of the next five years of the parliament," he said.

So what does that mean?

"They don't have enough votes to stop legislation going through," Usherwood told CNN, "but what they will get, particularly on the far right, is the time for speaking in debates, the chairmanship of certain committees, which means that they're going to have much more of a platform on which they can sell their message to voters."

In France, which has 74 seats in the European Parliament, the National Front won 24.95% of votes, according to official estimates, coming in ahead of the center-right UMP, which scored 20.8%, and President Francois Hollande's Socialist Party, which came in third with 14%. Even though the vote was for a regional legislative body, the potential impact on France's national political landscape was clear on Sunday. The results sparked stunned reactions from some French politicians and triumphant victory speeches from others. PM Valls described the election as "a very serious moment for France and for Europe," noting that projections indicate that voters are skeptical of the European Union. "None of us can shirk their responsibilities," he said, according to a summary of his remarks posted on the French government's website. Meanwhile, National Front leader Marine Le Pen said the results showed that French voters wanted more control.

"The sovereign people have proclaimed that they want to take back the reigns of their destiny into their hands. Our people demand one type of politics: politics of the French, for the French, with the French. They no longer want to be directed from outside," she said.

She said the vote shows that President Francois Hollande should dissolve France's parliament, where most lawmakers come from mainstream political parties. Nearly 400 million Europeans were eligible to vote in the parliamentary elections. Turnout was just over 43%, slightly higher than it was during the last vote in 2009, Parliament spokesman Jaume Duch said.

"The clear message here is that people are unhappy with the way mainstream political parties have handled the economic crisis, and they're giving them a good kicking," said Petros Fassoulas, chairman of the pro-Europe European Movement.

Before the election, analysts predicted that protest parties were likely to triumph at the polls. Those parties are demanding tighter border controls, nationalized decision-making and a dissolution of the currency union. But they have little in common aside from a dislike of the Brussels bureaucracy, so it's difficult for them to find much common ground, Usherwood said.

"They can agree they don't like the EU," Usherwood said, "but they can't agree what they like and what the answer is."
Very interesting results this weekend - seems like the European project is for the first time looking threatened. Key states such as UK & France voting for anti-EU populists and not being alone in that:

Prominent right-wing anti EU & far-right

UKIP (UK, winners, 29%)
DF (Denmark, winners, 27%)
Front National (France, winners, 25%)
FPO (Austria, third, 20%)
Jobbik (Hungary, runners-up, 15%)

Prominent left-wing anti EU & far-left

SYRIZA (Greece, winners, 27%)
Sinn Fein (Ireland, winners, 21%)
M5S (Italy, runners-up, 21%)
United Left & Podemos (third & fourth, combined 18%)

They're the headline grabbers, obviously there's numerous counterparts spread across the EU - wonder if there'll be any consequent re-think, we've already heard noises along that line from Hollande.

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#2 Post by Bandit72 » Tue May 27, 2014 12:46 am

I've heard a few people say, especially in the UK, that this is a "protest" vote. Load of nonsense. I don't think you can coax hoards of the voting population into 'protesting' against the current government with the mindset of changing again once the main parties have changed certain policies.

Seems to me people have had enough.

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#3 Post by Jasper » Tue May 27, 2014 5:46 pm

I've followed these elections closely, including the events leading up to them for well over a year. Things came to pass as I (and many others) said that they would, in some cases vastly exceeding my expectations. I couldn't be more pleased that we finally hear the voice of the people over that of the non-representative pro-EU forces.

I don't consider most of these so-called far-right parties to be anything of the sort. It's largely mainstream populist opinion that's been totally disregarded by the powers that be. People have been cowed and shamed into not expressing their views, but that is changing. It was hilarious seeing the BBC change their tune overnight, knowing that they could no longer so brazenly insult and marginalize such a large portion of the electorate.
Bandit72 wrote:I've heard a few people say, especially in the UK, that this is a "protest" vote. Load of nonsense.
Just more spin, spin, spin and damage control from the major parties and the controlled media. Their desperation is absolutely priceless.

It remains to be seen how many voters the mainstream parties can win back before 2015, in what is already a pitiful show of apologizing, pleading, self-flagellating, and insincere promise-making.

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#4 Post by Hype » Wed May 28, 2014 8:40 am

Early 20th century populist opinion was virulently anti-semitic, anti-immigrant, etc., as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xadg7z_7nT8#t=422


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#5 Post by Jasper » Wed May 28, 2014 10:19 am

Boo hoo! Europeans shouldn't have sovereignty because I say so!

:lol:

Listen to yourself.

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#6 Post by Hype » Wed May 28, 2014 10:39 am

I have a hard time believing you're serious... To claim that this is merely about 'sovereignty' is sort of like thinking that 'Pravy Sektor' in Ukraine are just trying to make sure that Ukraine maintains sovereignty. "Sovereignty" in both that case, and in these far-right parties is a smokescreen under which ignorant racial hatred and fear are pushed to the point of doing actual harm to other human beings. To see this you just have to be able to acknowledge that a state or a populace (or an individual) could be against participation in the European Union for good reasons, without also being anti-immigration, anti-semitic, or a racial purist (under the guise of preservation of "culture"). And of course that's possible.

How is this not just fear-mongering bullshit?
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#7 Post by Jasper » Wed May 28, 2014 12:49 pm

That's funny, when you're the one fear mongering.

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#8 Post by erotic cheeses » Wed May 28, 2014 4:07 pm

Part apathy part protest vote. The real politicians will sit up take note and do something about this - normal service will be resumed...

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#9 Post by Hype » Wed May 28, 2014 4:31 pm

http://www.jstor.org/stable/443694
Victor C. Ferkiss in 'Populist Influences on American Fascism', The Western Political Quarterly, v. 10 n. 2, 1957, on p. 354 wrote:"Nationalism was to be found in Populism principally in the form of a suspicious isolationism which regarded foreign involvements as inimical to the national interest and as existing solely to promote the interests of Eastern capitalists. Economic nationalism was reflected in Peter Cooper's proposal for protective tariffs," and Populists often advocated severe restrictions on immigration.

The protest against financial interests was frequently associated with a hatred of cities as centers of exploitation and of moral as well as political corruption. Nationalistic impulses cloaked themselves in the garb of sectionalism and Bryan referred to the East as "the enemy's country." Dwight MacDonald has noted that because of the varied national origins of its population, its geographic isolation, and its relatively higher standard of living, the venom of American nationalism will ever be directed against New York City, "which is properly and correctly considered an outpost of Europe on this continent."" Populist and, later, fascist nationalism confirms this judgment.

The final ingredient of Populist nationalism was the anti-Semitism endemic throughout the rural West. The correlation between hatred of Jews (though in a mild form and wholly without dialectical formulation) with sentiment for Bryan has been noted by Professor Oscar Handlin. The prairie farmer associated the Jew with the merchant, the financier, and the corrupt and domineering Eastern city.

Populist racial hostility was directed against those believed capable of destroying the small farmer's economic status and way of life. To the Mid-westerner, the Negro presented no problem since he was not physically present and since he (unlike the Jew) could hardly be pictured as scheming to undermine the position of Midwestern farmers and shopkeepers from afar.
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#10 Post by MorningGlory123 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:05 pm

Despite UKIP's success, Farage's EU grouping (EFD) is disintegrating, with Tories' more 'respectable' ECR and Le Pen's more powerful and less discerning EAF the only games in town - so they look set to leave this election more marginalised than ever, unless going cap-in-hand back to EAF/Le Pen.

Firstly UKIP's been hit by the the sole EFD MEPs for Belgium's Vlams Belang, Buglarian National Front, Movement for France, Greece's Popular Orthodox Rally, I Love Italy & Slovak National Party all losing their seats.

As well as that the Danish People's Party & True Finns have left for ECR.

That leaves EFD consisting of UKIP, Italy's Northern League, Lithuania's Order & Justice and Netherland's Reformed Political Party.

Not many potential newcomers, either - Czech Free Citizen's Party is the only certainty. Grillo's M5S is flirting with both EFD and the Greens-EFA. The Swedish Democrats are interested, but like with Le Pen, UKIP have been reluctant to ally with them. The remainders are sensing where the wind's blowing - so the Netherlands and Lithuanian contingent look set to be departing to ECR and EAF respectively.

They're currently scrabbling with EAF for who can attract Poland's Congress of the New Right a party that holds women shouldn't be able to vote. :lol:

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#11 Post by MorningGlory123 » Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:05 pm

Jasper wrote:I've followed these elections closely, including the events leading up to them for well over a year. Things came to pass as I (and many others) said that they would, in some cases vastly exceeding my expectations. I couldn't be more pleased that we finally hear the voice of the people over that of the non-representative pro-EU forces.
I've mixed feelings - my contempt for liberal establishment doesn't make me a fan of the EAF grouping. Are you a fan? I do welcome a growing populist/Euroscepticism influence across Europe, but I bitterly regret it mainly consists of fascists and Thatcher-lovers.
Jasper wrote:I don't consider most of these so-called far-right parties to be anything of the sort. It's largely mainstream populist opinion that's been totally disregarded by the powers that be. People have been cowed and shamed into not expressing their views, but that is changing. It was hilarious seeing the BBC change their tune overnight, knowing that they could no longer so brazenly insult and marginalize such a large portion of the electorate.
Depends what you mean by this - the far-right parties often are articulating public sentiment: anti-immigration, anti-eu, social solidarity etc, and that's been - as you say - unfairly, and blatantly, suppressed by the ruling class. However often within that reasonable argument, they purposely exploit and stoke xenophobia. Even UKIP has been guilty of this - and they're ostensibly a Thatcherite party and omitted from the far-right label: arguing against open-door immigration? Great. Arguing against the threat of "Romanian criminals"? Not at all - and that ugliness has been shouted down for a reason - and long may it.
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Bandit72 wrote:I've heard a few people say, especially in the UK, that this is a "protest" vote. Load of nonsense.
Just more spin, spin, spin and damage control from the major parties and the controlled media. Their desperation is absolutely priceless.

It remains to be seen how many voters the mainstream parties can win back before 2015, in what is already a pitiful show of apologizing, pleading, self-flagellating, and insincere promise-making.
There is a greater possibility than ever of those voting elsewhere sticking with UKIP, but FPTP's spoiler effect is not to be underestimated (and precisely why the establishment love it). There's also the small problem, that the privately-educated stockbroker and his candidates of toffs, Thatcherite and bankers may end up losing a lot of support when they finally have to announce some domestic policies and stop running away from their old policies. Flat taxes, privatisation and austerity may shoot their People's Army stone dead amongst those most likely to stay loyal: the ignored working class.

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