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Re: Syria

#76 Post by Hype » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:23 am

Bandit72 wrote:Great article.
Of 188 signatory nations to the CWC, state parties listed below have also declared stockpiles, agreed to monitored disposal, and verification, and in some cases, used CW in conflict. Both military targets and civilian populations have been affected—the affected populations were not always damaged collaterally, but rather at times, the target of the attack. As of 2012, only four nations are confirmed as having chemical weapons: the United States, Russia, North Korea and Syria.
I wonder how easy they are for a nation to stockpile but not use? Would the west use it to their advantage, again (Iraq WMD's), to cause conflict? To paraphrase the late Bill Hicks :

"Syria? Incredible Weapons...Chemical weapons."
"Well, How do we know that?"
"...ahem...er...we (the french) looked at the receipt."
Don't cheat. Cite your sources properly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapon
Wikipedia wrote:As of 2012, only four nations are confirmed as having chemical weapons: the United States, Russia, North Korea and Syria.[10][contradictory]
That [10] links to this: http://usiraq.procon.org/view.resource. ... eID=000678

Which cites this as the source for the data: http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/CRS_2-20-08.pdf
(Go to pp. 16-17 of the pdf...)

What it actually says is this:
Under the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), which went into effect in 1997, member countries are to have destroyed their stockpiles by April 2007. In July 2007, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) confirmed that Albania had become the first country to have destroyed its declared CWs. Five other states — India, Libya, Russia, South Korea, and the United States — have declared possession of such weapons. All have stated that they will destroy their weapons by the Convention’s April 29, 2012, deadline. However, observers have expressed doubts that all will be able to do so, owing to technical and legal challenges. Twelve countries also reported facilities for the production of CW and have pledged to destroy them or convert them to civilian uses. All of the member states’ declared CW production facilities have been destroyed, according to the OPCW.
So ... uh...

Plus, that same article also links to this for its source: See CRS Report RL33865, Arms Control and Nonproliferation: A Catalog of Treaties and
Agreements, by Amy F. Woolf, Paul K. Kerr, and Mary Beth Nicotine, p.46.

Which is here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL33865.pdf

Which is odd, because pg. 46 is about nukes... so I searched for "CW" or "Chemical Weapon". It claims that five nations have not signed the CWC: "Angola, Egypt, North Korea, Somalia, and Syria." (n. 41 on p. 49)

Pg. 50:
Syria
Syria is not a party to the chemical weapons convention, and it retains significant stocks of
chemical weapons. Concerns about the security and status of these weapons grew in 2012,
following months of instability and conflict. The Syrian case may be the first time the
international community has faced a civil war in a state with a known stockpile of chemical
weapons. This contingency raises two major policy concerns: whether the Asad regime would use
chemical weapons, and whether it could lose control over these weapons. U.S. officials have
expressed confidence that chemical weapons stocks in Syria are secured by the Asad regime,
which dispatched elite Special Forces for that purpose. At the same time, due to the urgency of
preventing access to these weapons by unauthorized groups including terrorists, the United States
government has been preparing for scenarios to secure the weapons in the event of the Asad
regime’s loss of control.
The United States
The United States has also encountered difficulties in destroying its Category One chemical
weapons stockpile; Washington has already destroyed all of its Category Three stockpile and has
declared no Category Two weapons. In April 2006, the United States submitted its formal request
to the OPCW Chairman and Director-General to extend the United States’ final chemical
weapons destruction deadline from April 2007 to April 29, 2012, the latest possible date allowed
under the CWC.53 However, Ambassador Eric Javits, then-U.S. Permanent Representative to the
OPCW, added that “we do not expect to be able to meet that deadline” because Washington had
encountered “delays and difficulties” in destroying its stockpile.54 These delays have generally
resulted from the need to meet state and federal environmental requirements and from both local
and congressional concerns over the means of destruction.
Reinforcing Javits’ statement, former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld notified Congress in
April 2006 that destruction of the U.S. stockpile by the April 2012 deadline “was in doubt based
on the current schedules, but that the Department of Defense [DOD] would continue requesting
resources needed to complete destruction as close to the 2012 deadline as practicable.”
The OPCW stated March 4, 2011, that the United States has destroyed over 84% of its Category
One stockpile.55 Washington projects that its three operating destruction facilities56 will have
destroyed 90% of the total U.S. stockpile by 2012.57 Two other facilities under construction will
destroy the remaining chemical agents stockpiles located at Pueblo, CO, and Lexington, KY.

According to a 2010 DOD estimate, these stockpiles would be destroyed by 2017 and 2021,
respectively.58
However, the 2008 Defense Appropriations Act (P.L. 110-116) required the Defense Department
to “complete work on the destruction” of the U.S. chemical weapons stockpile by the 2012
deadline “and in no circumstances later than December 31, 2017.” Additionally, the National
Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 (P.L. 110-181) required that the Secretary of
Defense submit a report to Congress that included a
description of the options and alternatives for accelerating the completion of chemical
weapons destruction at each such facility, particularly in time to meet the [CWC] destruction
deadline of April 29, 2012 ... and by December 31, 2017.
That report, submitted in June 2008, compared three options for accelerating stockpile
destruction, noting that “[t]here are no options to achieve 100 percent destruction of the national
stockpile by 2012.”59 The three options were:
• Provide schedule incentives authorized by Congress60 to ensure that the operating
sites complete the destruction of their stockpiles by 2012.
• Transport portions of the remaining stockpile to destruction facilities which are
already operating.
• Accelerate the destruction schedule for the Colorado and Kentucky sites.
According to a September 2010 DOD report to Congress, the department is “on pace to achieve
destruction of 90 percent of its stockpile by April 2012, 98 percent destruction by 2017, and 100
percent destruction by 2021.” The department “will continue to look for opportunities to
eliminate the remaining chemical weapons stockpile ahead of current schedules without
sacrificing safety and security,” the report adds.61

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Re: Syria

#77 Post by chaos » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:20 pm

More horrific stuff is emerging.

A couple of photos from this report (in the appendices sections): http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/13902266747 ... n-tort.pdf

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http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... faces.html

New evidence of 'industrial-scale' killing by Assad regime surfaces
January 20, 2014 5:15PM ET
Report produced by team of war crimes prosecutors implicates Syrian government in 11,000 detainee deaths

A team of war crimes prosecutors and forensic experts has examined and confirmed a huge stash of evidence smuggled out of Syria that implicate Syrian government officials in the systematic killing of 11,000 detainees, according to a joint report from CNN and The Guardian released just two days before peace talks aimed at ending Syria's civil war are slated to begin.

Working with a photographer for the military police who had secretly defected to the opposition, the team was given thousands of photos of dead bodies belonging to alleged detainees killed in Syrian government custody.

The photographs show emaciated bodies marked with signs of brutal beatings, strangulation and other forms of torture, the team confirmed.

"This is a smoking gun," David Crane, one of the report's authors, told CNN. "Any prosecutor would like this kind of evidence — the photos and the process. This is direct evidence of the regime's killing machine."

The report also details a complex numbering system used to catalog the corpses such that security services could keep track of those killed and fake their documentation to make it appear that the individual had died in a hospital.

"This evidence could underpin a charge of crimes against humanity — without any shadow of a doubt," said Desmond de Silva, another of the authors and the former chief prosecutor of the Special Court for Sierra Leone, in an interview with CNN. "Of course, it's not for us to make a decision. All we can do is evaluate the evidence and say this evidence is capable of being accepted by a tribunal as genuine."

Both sides of the conflict have been accused of human rights violations on many occasions during Syria's nearly three-year civil war, but the experts believe this new round of evidence is the most definitive proof of large-scale killing on the part of the regime to date.

The authors added that the scope and systematic nature of the killings indicates "top-down" direction by leaders of the security forces but not the direct involvement of the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad himself.

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Re: Syria

#78 Post by Bandit72 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:14 am

Horrific stuff. It reminded me of the holocaust. I thought humanity was incapable of letting that happen again? Obviously not. Religion, fuck it off.

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#79 Post by chaos » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:35 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 68988.html

The Independent Thursday 21 August 2014
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CHRISTOPHER HOOTON, ROB WILLIAMS Tuesday 04 March 2014

If London were Syria: Save The Children campaign releases unsettling video



A young girl is shown in close-up blowing out candles on a birthday cake, playing dress-up and asleep peacefully in a car. Then the images become darker, showing disruption, chaos, bombs and panic as Britain descends into a Syria-type conflict and the girl and her family are forced to flee their home in fear.

The images are from a startling new Save The Children campaign that imagines what London would be like if plunged into a conflict similar to that in Syria.

The one-and-a-half minute video was launched in the run-up to the three-year anniversary of the conflict, in which, to date, 10,000 children have lost their lives and 2.3 million people have become refugees.

It closes with the words: "Just because it isn't happening here, doesn't mean it isn't happening."

"We hope the video will resonate with members of the public, particularly those who don’t know much about the situation in Syria so they can really understand the plight of innocent Syrian children. said Jake Lundi, Director of Brand and Communications at Save The Children. "The message to the public is just because it’s not happening here, doesn’t mean it’s not happening."

The conflict has caused a huge humanitarian crisis in the country. Last month, the United Nations Security Council called for both the Assad regime and opposition forces to provide immediate access to deliver aid to millions in need of help.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said at the time: "Half the country's people need urgent assistance. Host countries need support in caring for more than 2.5 million refugees."

He described as "profoundly shocking" the fact that "both sides are besieging civilians as a tactic of war".

"Some 200,000 people are under siege in government-controlled areas – and 45,000 in opposition-controlled areas," he added.

UN humanitarian chief Baroness Amos has described progress on delivering aid to those most in need as "limited, uneven and painfully slow".

She said last month: "It is vital that ordinary people, who have been bearing the brunt of the violence, are protected. More than anything, the conflict needs to end so that people can begin to rebuild their lives. Syria is in danger of losing a generation of its children. Children are the future. We must protect them.

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Re: Syria

#80 Post by chaos » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:28 pm

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/97161113 ... witter.com

U.S. Launches Military Airstrikes Against Iranian Militants In Syria

February 25, 2021 8:05 PM ET
VANESSA ROMO

The Department of Defense says U.S. military forces have conducted airstrikes against infrastructure used by militant groups in eastern Syria. The strikes are a response to recent attacks against Americans in Iraq, which the DOD calls a "proportionate military response."

Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby issued the following statement regarding the attack:

"At President Biden's direction, U.S. military forces earlier this evening conducted airstrikes against infrastructure utilized by Iranian-backed militant groups in eastern Syria. These strikes were authorized in response to recent attacks against American and Coalition personnel in Iraq, and to ongoing threats to those personnel. Specifically, the strikes destroyed multiple facilities located at a border control point used by a number of Iranian-backed militant groups, including Kait'ib Hezbollah (KH) and Kait'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada (KSS).
This proportionate military response was conducted together with diplomatic measures, including consultation with Coalition partners. The operation sends an unambiguous message: President Biden will act to protect American and Coalition personnel. At the same time, we have acted in a deliberate manner that aims to de-escalate the overall situation in both eastern Syria and Iraq."

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Re: Syria

#81 Post by mockbee » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:17 pm

Well that didn't take long. :scared:


I guess four years of deascalating violence and troop withdraws and relative peace in the mideast was really gnawing at the hawks...


Israel says they are bombing Iran if Biden gets back on the. Iran nuclear deal. Another thing for the hawks to look forward to...yeah.

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Re: Syria

#82 Post by kv » Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:36 pm

:eyes: ya trump never bombed them or made the kurds run for their lives....gtfo

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Re: Syria

#83 Post by mockbee » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:15 am

Yeah Trump bombed them too. Not saying he didn't.

No argument from me that Trump was a Class A asshole. But his overall record on mideast and NKorea is really impressive.

Strategic brinkmanship is not a quality I would ascribe to Biden and his cronies. I don't see this going anywhere good. :scared:

Even the NYTimes gives him credit... :noclue:
He moved the American Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, breaking with those who said it would ignite the Muslim world.

He withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal and ordered the killing of a top Iranian general, defying those who said those moves would lead to war.

He brokered treaties between Israel and two Arab states, disproving those who said such deals could only follow the creation of a Palestinian state.

Again and again in the Middle East, where volatility has burnished or battered previous presidential legacies, President Trump has run roughshod over conventional thinking, advancing key policy aims or fulfilling campaign promises in ways that experts warned could set off a conflagration or blow up in his face.

Not only did the predicted disasters not materialize, but in many cases his policies produced demonstrable achievements.

The Arab treaties with Israel doubled the number of countries in the region that have relations with Israel. The killing of the Iranian commander, Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, eliminated the leader of a network of dangerous militias. And the embassy move, rightly or wrongly, was a step previous administrations had shrunk from despite claiming to support it.

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