" Mitt the Twit"

[Hype]

Why do both sides continue to tell lies. They stand up and lie right to our faces, but I guess most people just believe everything that the politicians say or just don't care.

You would think that with fact checking that the politicians would want to tell the truth, but it doesn't stop them.

Which lies are the Democrats telling?

Here are a few:

http://news.yahoo.com/president-obama-f ... itics.html

http://news.yahoo.com/steelworker-featu ... itics.html

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-clinto ... ction.html

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/08/politics/ ... index.html

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/nancy-pelosi/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... omney-wou/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... pe-incest/

Is that enough?

You do realize that 'false claims' are not the same thing as 'lies', right?

[mockbee]

Yeah, Romney is dead in the water but remember, Obama recovered from that classic "(they) get bitter and they cling to guns, religion or xenophobia" when talking about small town Midwesterners.

This is different. Read the above passage from Ross Douthat. Obama was taken out of context, and followed up with we need to appeal to 'those' people. Romney said half the population are lost causes and doubled down on that statement a couple days ago.

What is truly sad is that both parties elite seem to despise poor people......

Which Democrat "elites" despise poor people?

Well I would say that despise might be too strong a word to use, but I would say that there is a lack of understanding amongst liberal elites and progressive pols regarding the role of religion in poor peoples lives. Also, poor people sure aren't being served by modern day Democrats. The banks, especially, and payday loan companies and multinational corporations and dirty energy behemoths have got away with highway robbery all on the backs of the poor. Dens have done nothing to stop the tide. I see that as contempt. It's sort of bullshit to say the Repubs prevented action because I don't see Dems on the front lines fighting for action, it would go against their donors best interests........

That's a really interesting set of claims. I'm curious why you think (at least some) liberal elites lack understanding of the role of religion in poor people's lives? Do you mean liberal people generally? Like... Richard Dawkins? Or did you mean politicians in the Democratic Party? Because I'm pretty sure African Americans are FAR more religious than white Americans, on average (try being a black atheist... it's ... damn near impossible) and yet they find tremendous support from Democratic politicians.

Well........this can go any number of directions and I have spent a little time musing what I actually mean by my statements. Richard Dawkins is a good place to start. He says that "faith is one of the world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." He brings up 9/11 as evidence of the threat of faith. Sure, extremism in any capacity will lead to heinous results. Stalin and Hitler could be convincingly argued as the atheist counterparts. But it all comes back to the validity of faith, something that is paramount to people no matter who you are, but especially if you are poor and struggling for meaning with so much shit happening in their lives. The liberal elite are vastly white in their constituency and vastly less 'faith' based than their conservative counterparts. I beleive there is a sympathy amongst liberal elites (politicians or citizens) for the poor, more so than from the conservative elite, but a supreme lack of empathy. I have seen it first hand, the best amongst the liberal elite who often will say the goverment is responsible for tending to the poor, not me. There is a real problem with that notion....... It needs to be both the govt and the individuals responsibility to tend to each other. The good conservatives understand that. Where am I going with this? The poor value faith more than promises from the government. If the liberal elite cannot understand that fact, they will lose every time. Look at the South, case in point. Should creationism be taught in Public school because it is faith based? Absolutely not! Well I suppose in a 'Values and Beliefs' class it would be fine, but obviously not in Science class.

In specific regard to the black experience and the connection to being represented by Democrats/liberals, of course, I can't say what they beleive, only what I have seen/experienced. I know for a fact that here in California, liberals were shocked when the gay marriage ban was passed with significant black support, 70% supporting a ban. The ban would have failed had blacks voted even remotely in line with their liberal counterparts...... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... can-a.html

[Artemis]

Advice from Sarah Palin..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... lp00000009

Sarah Palin urged Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan to "go Rogue" and said America needs a "come to Jesus" moment in a Saturday statement to The Weekly Standard.

"With so much at stake in this election, both Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan should 'go rogue' and not hold back from telling the American people the true state of our economy and national security," Palin said.

Palin said the country needs a "come to Jesus" moment over government and the national debt.

"America desperately needs to have a 'come to Jesus' moment in discussing our big dysfunctional, disconnected and debt-ridden federal government," Palin said.

Palin also took a hit at Obama, calling it "appalling" that he "couldn't even remember how much our national debt is during his interview with David Letterman the other night." (Obama actually told Letterman, "I don't remember what the number was precisely.")

"Even my 10-year-old daughter knows that it's $16 trillion, and unlike Obama, she's not responsible for adding trillions to it," Palin said.

This isn't the first time Palin has criticized Obama. She recently slammed his "empty chair style of leadership," making a reference to Clint Eastwood's bizarre speech from the 2012 Republican National Convention.

[Hype]

Stalin and Hitler could be convincingly argued as the atheist counterparts.

I think this is an oft-used false analogy. They aren't counterparts, because they aren't motivated by atheist dogma or doctrine to murder people. The fact that there are murderers who are religious and murderers who are atheists doesn't mean that religiously motivated murders are equivalent to murders committed by atheists. Surely that's clear?

but obviously not in Science class.

It isn't obvious to everyone. Those very Creationists you speak of, whose faith you expect "Liberals" to respect, are motivated by that faith to deny your claim that it's obvious that such idiocy shouldn't be taught in a Science class. That's all Dawkins means when he calls it a virus that's difficult to eradicate.

[Essence_Smith]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... l-20120829

[Hype]

This guy needs to be punched in the mouth by a rowdy Irishman.

[Essence_Smith]

Just for Hype...

[Romeo]

so if Mitt becomes president will we get airplanes with windows that open??


Man, Pres. Obama should suspend all his ads & just run Rmoney sound bites!

[Hype]

so if Mitt becomes president will we get airplanes with windows that open??

Not to mention fire extinguishers that use oxygen.

[Pandemonium]

I think we should start taking bets as to how badly Romney will lose in November.

I'm thinking Obama gets 59% to Romney's 41% in electorial votes.

[Hype]

I think we should start taking bets as to how badly Romney will lose in November.

I'm thinking Obama gets 59% to Romney's 41% in electorial votes.

53-47 is my bet.

[chaos]

It just keeps getting better.

http://www.boston.com/politicalintellig ... story.html

Mitt Romney cites Massachusetts health care law as sign of his empathy
09/26/2012 8:25 PM
By Matt Viser, Globe Staff

WASHINGTON – Mitt Romney on Wednesday cited his record in shepherding through the Massachusetts health care law as a sign of his empathy for all people, talking far more openly than usual about a controversial plan that has caused him so much strife with conservative Republicans.

“Don’t forget -- I got everybody in my state insured,” Romney told NBC late Wednesday afternoon. “One hundred percent of the kids in our state had health insurance. I don’t think there’s anything that shows more empathy and care about the people of this country than that kind of record.”

Romney made the comments just before going on stage in Toledo, for a rally in which Romney used President Obama’s health care law as a chief example of what’s wrong with the current administration. The dichotomy of his statements further illustrated the tightrope Romney has had to walk in pledging to repeal President Obama’s federal law, while simultaneously trying to take credit for the state-level plan he signed into law in Massachusetts.

“I will repeal Obamacare and replace it with real health care reform,” Romney said during the rally. “Obamacare is really Exhibit No. 1 of the president’s political philosophy, and that is that government knows better than people how to run your lives.”

“I don’t believe in a bigger and bigger government,’’ he added. “I believe in free people pursuing their dreams. I believe in freedom.”

Romney cited his health care plan as a sign of his empathy a week after a video emerged showing Romney dismissing nearly half of the electorate, telling donors at a May fundraiser that 47 percent of voters considered themselves victims and were too dependent on government to consider voting for him.

After a series of polls have showed him significantly behind in key swing states, Romney conducted a series of television interviews on Wednesday. He told ABC News that he was undeterred by the recent polls -- “Frankly at this early stage, polls go up, polls go down,” he said – and adding that the first debate next week could mark a turning point for his campaign. He told CBS News that the Obama campaign was engaged in a “character assassination.”

In addition to health care, Romney told NBC that his time as a Mormon pastor illustrated his ability to care for people in need. Romney has also been reluctant to talk about his Mormon faith throughout his political life, but in recent weeks has started allowing reporters to go with him to Sunday services, and has allowed those from his church to speak about how he helped them.

“I think people have the chance, who watched our Republican convention, to see the lives that I’ve had a chance to touch during my life, to understand that as I served as a pastor of a congregation with people of all different backgrounds and economic circumstances that I care very deeply about the American people, people of different socio-economic circumstances,” Romney said in the interview with NBC’s Ron Allen.

But it was his health care comments that could trigger the most response.

Less than two months ago, Romney’s spokeswoman triggered a fierce conservative backlash when she cited Romney’s health care plan in response to a controversial ad that suggested Romney was to blame for a woman’s death because her husband had lost his health insurance when he was laid off from a company owned by Bain Capital.

The spokeswoman, Andrea Saul, called the ad misleading and disingenuous, but then added that if the man had lived in Massachusetts, where Romney spearheaded a law covering nearly everyone, he would have had health care coverage.

“To that point, you know, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said on Fox News.

Prominent conservative blogger Erick Erickson said it could “mark the day the Romney campaign died.” Commentator Ann Coulter called on Romney to fire Saul for making the comment.

Romney has previously defended his health care plan.

“Overall am I proud of the fact that we did our best for our people and got people insured?” Romney said at a health care speech in Michigan in May 2011. “Absolutely.”

He also largely stuck by it during a forum sponsored last week by the Spanish-language Univision.

“I have experience in health care reform,” he said. “Now and then the president says I’m the grandfather of Obamacare. I don’t think he meant that as a compliment but I’ll take it…I’ve actually been able to put in place a system that fit the needs of the people of my state, and I’m proud of the fact that in my state, after our plan was put in place, every child has insurance, 98 percent of adults have insurance.”

[Pure Method]

I'm skeptical most will pick up on that double speak.

[mockbee]

The debates are going to be both fun and sad........

Obama will just have to play his cards close and throw out one of thousands of hypocritical comments Romney has made and just sit back, relax and watch him yammer in circles until he confuses himself and punts the mangled issue onto the floor....like a cat with a hard to regurgitate fur ball........

The sad part is that this country needs bold solutions to difficult problems and with Obama, understandably not needing to put forth proposals, and Mitt being Mitt, we will have no leadership and no proposals.

[creep]

i just read this interesting facebook post by a guy i went to school with. it's just sort of sad that people actually believe this stuff.

I'm still in disbelief that a muslim man with doubtful citizenship was elected to the Presidency after 9/11. Stand up! Vote For ANYONE besides this muslim, America hating clown. He is bent on destroying America financially..and succeeding..
Sounds JUST like a plan that originated somewhere in the middle east by someone with alot of oil money and a burning hatred for America and the west. It is key to America's well-being to have him removed from office this election. Please do your part..

[Hype]

i just read this interesting facebook post by a guy i went to school with. it's just sort of sad that people actually believe this stuff.

I'm still in disbelief that a muslim man with doubtful citizenship was elected to the Presidency after 9/11. Stand up! Vote For ANYONE besides this muslim, America hating clown. He is bent on destroying America financially..and succeeding..
Sounds JUST like a plan that originated somewhere in the middle east by someone with alot of oil money and a burning hatred for America and the west. It is key to America's well-being to have him removed from office this election. Please do your part..

Brain worms.

[creep]

another thing that is annoying me is this obama ad i keep seeing on tv. it just seems like the obama campaign should be better than this. why run these types of ads? chinese tires are taking our jobs!

[Hype]

another thing that is annoying me is this obama ad i keep seeing on tv. it just seems like the obama campaign should be better than this. why run these types of ads? chinese tires are taking our jobs!

Yeah, that's a weird one. I'm not even sure it makes any sense at all. Unfortunately, attack ads work, so I guess if they bug you, they're not meant for you, so it's best to ignore them and chalk it up to how stupid democratic politics with an uninformed apathetic electorate has to be.

[creep]

Yeah, that's a weird one. I'm not even sure it makes any sense at all. Unfortunately, attack ads work, so I guess if they bug you, they're not meant for you, so it's best to ignore them and chalk it up to how stupid democratic politics with an uninformed apathetic electorate has to be.

oh i know...this one just rubbed me the wrong way. mostly because of what you said... that it really doesn't make sense.

[Pure Method]

im scared for the debates. anything but an ass whooping will be a disappointment. does he have that killer instinct?

[Juana]

[chaos]

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/po ... l#comments

9/27/12 at 1:25 PM
The Poetic Justice of Romney’s Self-Immolation
By Jonathan Chait

I’ve been wrong before, and I’ll be wrong again, but I may never have been as wrong as I was when I initially predicted that Mitt Romney’s heinous diatribe against 47 percent of America would have little direct impact on the election. It’s an absolutely crushing blow. Obviously it doesn’t guarantee his defeat — if a secret video surfaces depicting Obama promising to impose Sharia law in his second term, Romney will stand a good chance of coming back — but it destroys his public standing in ways that make a comeback nearly impossible.

Here is Obama’s latest ad using Romney’s comments:



What’s devastating about the ad, aside from the juxtaposition of Romney’s words against photos of regular Americans, is something I only noticed the second time I watched it. It’s the sound of silverware clinking on china in the background as Romney speaks. That detail contrasts the atmosphere Romney inhabits with the one in which most Americans live. You can tell, even though you’re not seeing this, that the remarks are being made to people enjoying a formal dinner.

The damage of the remarks is twofold. Obviously, it deeply reinforces the worst stereotypes voters have of Romney. Indeed, the fact that he is currently running ads trying to make the case that he does care about all of America testifies to the grim position in which Romney finds himself. If you’re trying to clear the threshold of “does this candidate hate me” six weeks before the election, you’re probably not on the verge of closing the sale.

Worse still, the comments destroy Romney’s fundamental credibility. Here America sees what he says behind closed doors. Nothing he can say in public can possibly overcome the damage of these comments, because voters will quite correctly assume that he is telling them what they want to hear. George W. Bush’s campaign figured out how to do this to both Al Gore and John Kerry — by painting them as liars, Bush destroyed them as a message delivery platform. Romney has, essentially, done it to himself.

The size of the political damage Romney has incurred is beside the point. He was trailing narrowly, but in a polarized electorate with a tiny number of undecided voters. Not only has he turned some of those undecided voters against him, but he’s blown up his bridge to reach them.

My initial instinct, that Romney would escape, arose in part from my general belief that what is and what ought to be are not usually the same thing. Candidates routinely get tripped up by trivial mistakes, and escape unscathed from monstrous acts. Life isn’t fair. But if the 47 percent comments do finish Romney off, as now appears likely, it will be eminently fair.

It will be fair because Romney has spent the last five years refashioning himself in the image of his party, discarding his most decent elements along the way, only to be caught in the end speaking bluntly. I’ve argued that the comments reflect his true beliefs now, but it scarcely matters. America has now seen Mitt Romney talking about us (or 47 percent of us, which offends many more of us) behind our backs.

And then, finally, there is a poetic justice in the substance of Romney’s self-immolation. This is not a random gaffe, a joke gone bad, or even a terrible brain freeze. It is Romney exposed for espousing a worldview that is at the heart of his party’s mania. The idea he summed up at that fund-raiser was a combination of right-wing fever dreams I’ve been analyzing since Obama took office — the Ayn Randism, the fact-free class warfare, the frantic rage at a changing America. The Republican Party is going down because its candidate was seen advocating exactly the beliefs that make the party so dangerous and repellant.

[mockbee]

Mother Jones may have significantly changed the course of America's direction and human history. Seeing that those comments have struck a chord in Americans and Obama may be more free to pursue a more 'socialist' path for this country, one in which our government attempts to help our people instead of repelling them. Of course, one never knows what could have been. Pretty cool nonetheless.

What I don't get is the vast number of people still planning to vote for Romney when he says he despises them. WBush was never that stupid, or maybe I should say, never that heartless.

[tvrec]

Mother Jones may have significantly changed the course of America's direction and human history. Seeing that those comments have struck a chord in Americans and Obama may be more free to pursue a more 'socialist' path for this country, one in which our government attempts to help our people instead of repelling them. Of course, one never knows what could have been. Pretty cool nonetheless.

What I don't get is the vast number of people still planning to vote for Romney when he says he despises them. WBush was never that stupid, or maybe I should say, never that heartless.

I heard a report on the Mother Jones expose that was pretty interesting. Apparently the main force behind making it happen was Jimmy Carter's grandson, James Carter IV, who had taken it upon himself to challenge Romney because he had repeatedly besmirched his grandfather's name to paint Obama in a negative light. Poetic Justice

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/pol ... 57806176/1

[Artemis]

This is kind of weird and kind of funny.