Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:22 am
RIP the JA community.
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Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:22 am
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:27 pm
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 am
I would not be the least bit surprised that 10,000 people even in the 100K in the US have SARS CoV2 already.
Hardly anyone has been tested that was not directly flown in from overseas.
This will explode once CDC/US healthcare catches up...
Korea only looks bad, ironically, because they are extremely organized....
This will be huge from a logistics standpoint. I am not concerned about the virus itself. I think the mortality rate is probably really low. I am highly concerned about our current inept and potential hysterical response though.....
It's crazy that mandatory quaranteenedned patients are being sent $4-5K bills for their treatment/stays......
From personal experience our healthcare system is completely fucked up.
Hardly anyone has been tested that was not directly flown in from overseas.
This will explode once CDC/US healthcare catches up...
Korea only looks bad, ironically, because they are extremely organized....
This will be huge from a logistics standpoint. I am not concerned about the virus itself. I think the mortality rate is probably really low. I am highly concerned about our current inept and potential hysterical response though.....
It's crazy that mandatory quaranteenedned patients are being sent $4-5K bills for their treatment/stays......
From personal experience our healthcare system is completely fucked up.
J. Wes Ulm, MD, PhD
Los Angeles
The United States is likely to become the global center of the coronavirus pandemic since it feeds on four fundamental weaknesses that now plague our society, more than any other in the developed world: technical expertise stifled by bureaucracy, lack of adequate sick leave, no universal healthcare, and inability to muster coordinated public responses for the common good.
Dozens of countries now have functioning coronavirus testing modules, validated per WHO protocols, and have tested millions of people. South Korea alone tests over 10,000 a day. Yet two months in, barely a few hundred Americans have received tests even though SARS-CoV-2 is already demonstrating rampant US community spread, not only due to faulty test kits but also frustrating red tape that has impeded local testing development and even importation of kits from overseas. The hard-earned US reputation for bringing great technical expertise to bear is now permanently in tatters.
Meanwhile, potentially infected workers balk at taking sick days for fear of losing income or even their jobs. High deductibles or lack of health coverage discourage others from seeking medical treatment until the viral load and lethality are elevated, and public coordination is all but impossible amid our current polarization.
Thanks to this perfect storm, the USA is the ideal breeding ground for SARS-CoV-2 to spread rapidly, in its most virulent form, at the highest viral titers and with dismal rates of detection.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:18 am
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:27 am
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:56 pm
27 cases of COVID-19 confirmed in Canada. No deaths reported yet.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... ction.html
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... ction.html
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:21 am
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:43 am
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:54 am
Oops, too late. A ton of stuff is about to get much more expensive for a while, though, thanks to the manufacturing shutdowns and difficulty with shipping out of China right now.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:00 am
Yup. 5G potential to be disasterous to human health isn't conspiracy BS.....
Interesting about the Wuhan connection. Sounds like a disasterous blunder..... I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. But I do subscribe to the potential for disasterous ineptitude and profits before human health. That's just basic human nature....
Scientific American agrees, along with hundreds of other studies....of course the US government does no funding of studies. Not a good look for the corporate hegemony....?
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/ob ... g-is-safe/
Stay aware/clear of that shit....
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:46 pm
I think that doesn't make any sense at all. I'm hoping it's not true, too.5G absorbs oxygen, and that’s really important to know. On your oxygen molecules, the little electrons, with 5G they start to oscillate. So 5G is absorbing the oxygen and then your haemoglobin can’t take up the oxygen.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:15 pm
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:09 am
What are your employers doing about Coronavirus? Are they encouraging people to stay home if they're sick? Is your employer increasing cleaning services to disinfect surfaces, provide hand sanitizer, etc?
What about sick days? Do you have any? Paid or unpaid?
Work from home option?
What if you're in quarantine? Is there compensation av available?
The advice here, and elsewhere, I assume, is to stay home if you're sick. Easier said than done, I think. Many people don't have paid sick days if they're not full-time employees or or are self-employed or contract employees. In the US, many still don't have medical coverage and won't see a doctor. How can they confirm if they have COVID-19??
What about sick days? Do you have any? Paid or unpaid?
Work from home option?
What if you're in quarantine? Is there compensation av available?
The advice here, and elsewhere, I assume, is to stay home if you're sick. Easier said than done, I think. Many people don't have paid sick days if they're not full-time employees or or are self-employed or contract employees. In the US, many still don't have medical coverage and won't see a doctor. How can they confirm if they have COVID-19??
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:36 am
I am fortunate in that while I have an office, my job is on my laptop and wherever I decide to take it. I've had stretches where I've not seen my office for months at a time.
The downside is that as I am almost always working, and always find myself working on vacation.
But if the worst part of my professional life is working on the beach, so be it.
So I'm definitely enjoying working from home for awhile until this calms down.
The downside is that as I am almost always working, and always find myself working on vacation.
But if the worst part of my professional life is working on the beach, so be it.
So I'm definitely enjoying working from home for awhile until this calms down.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:11 am
People are panic buying over here. You can't get hand sanitizer anywhere. Evern water and toilet roll (?) stocks are low in the supermarkets. I just find it a bit weird that people have suddenly decided to wash their hands now a new virus has appeared.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:45 am
We're animals. People are being ultra-superstitious out of fear, and this is, counterintuitively, endangering the people who will likely suffer the most from this (the elderly and those with already suppressed immune systems -- everyone with rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, HIV, a transplanted organ, etc).
In the 17th century, there were periods of plague resurgence where cities were quarantined and many people died. The only way to escape it back then was to head out to the countryside and self-isolate. Despite modern hygiene practices existing, because there is no vaccine and no good treatment, this is probably the only way to guarantee you don't catch it now. Hand-washing and avoiding touching mucous membranes (your face!) is just what you should be doing anyway.
It's estimated that 40-70% of the world is going to catch this, and 80% of those will be mild or even asymptomatic -- corona-viruses cause 30% of all colds (rhinoviruses cause the other 70%). But for the other 20%, most of whom will be over 60, there will be pneumonia and bacterial infections and death for upwards of 15% of them, and for the other 85%, hospitalization, and a long recovery.
In the 17th century, there were periods of plague resurgence where cities were quarantined and many people died. The only way to escape it back then was to head out to the countryside and self-isolate. Despite modern hygiene practices existing, because there is no vaccine and no good treatment, this is probably the only way to guarantee you don't catch it now. Hand-washing and avoiding touching mucous membranes (your face!) is just what you should be doing anyway.
It's estimated that 40-70% of the world is going to catch this, and 80% of those will be mild or even asymptomatic -- corona-viruses cause 30% of all colds (rhinoviruses cause the other 70%). But for the other 20%, most of whom will be over 60, there will be pneumonia and bacterial infections and death for upwards of 15% of them, and for the other 85%, hospitalization, and a long recovery.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:50 pm
Nope. You get slapped with the bill. If you have health insurance through employer you'll have to drain your deductable first and most likely the quarantine will be "out if network"...usually doubling the deductable. So you're out $4-8,000 if you have a two week mandatory quarantine with pretty good insurance. Totally screwed without insurance. 2 week stay would cost $80,000-100,000 total. You could talk them down a bit, but goodbye to a year of your life on hold with insurers. That is the case at the moment....even if insurers say otherwise. No fed help yet.
I've had to go through that scenario twice in my life now with other medical conditions.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... s.amp.html
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:48 pm
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4860 ... pplemental
...
Gaetz initially maintained that he was within his rights to wear the device on the House floor despite the sergeant-at-arms requesting that he remove it in the chamber.
"There are provisions in the House rules that permit medically necessary headgear," Gaetz said after walking off the floor.
...
During an animated conversation with Rep. Ruben Gallego, the Arizona Democrat informed Gaetz he was wearing the mask incorrectly.
"Look, bipartisanship," Gallego said of his decision to help his GOP colleague.
"Gallego told me how. He knows how because he's a Marine," Gaetz said, confirming he had since adjusted the device. "He showed me how you wear it correctly."
Rep. Paul Mitchell (R-Mich.) at one point jokingly sat next to Gaetz and covered his air vent.
...
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:53 pm
chaos wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:48 pmhttps://thehill.com/homenews/house/4860 ... pplemental
...
Gaetz initially maintained that he was within his rights to wear the device on the House floor despite the sergeant-at-arms requesting that he remove it in the chamber.
"There are provisions in the House rules that permit medically necessary headgear," Gaetz said after walking off the floor.
...
During an animated conversation with Rep. Ruben Gallego, the Arizona Democrat informed Gaetz he was wearing the mask incorrectly.
"Look, bipartisanship," Gallego said of his decision to help his GOP colleague.
"Gallego told me how. He knows how because he's a Marine," Gaetz said, confirming he had since adjusted the device. "He showed me how you wear it correctly."
Rep. Paul Mitchell (R-Mich.) at one point jokingly sat next to Gaetz and covered his air vent.
...
Oh man. Can't wait to see the late shows take on this.....
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:08 pm
I work a government (city) job now so I am lucky to get 12 sick days a year and great health benefits so I should be covered somewhat but I work in a high risk area where the virus could be spread.Artemis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:09 amWhat are your employers doing about Coronavirus? Are they encouraging people to stay home if they're sick? Is your employer increasing cleaning services to disinfect surfaces, provide hand sanitizer, etc?
What about sick days? Do you have any? Paid or unpaid?
Work from home option?
What if you're in quarantine? Is there compensation av available?
The advice here, and elsewhere, I assume, is to stay home if you're sick. Easier said than done, I think. Many people don't have paid sick days if they're not full-time employees or or are self-employed or contract employees. In the US, many still don't have medical coverage and won't see a doctor. How can they confirm if they have COVID-19??
My previous job I got 3 sick days a year and a 5K deducible for health insurance. That would have bee a problem.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:10 pm
What is the time frame for that 40-70%? If it's this year, that seems grossly over exaggerated.Hype wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:45 amWe're animals. People are being ultra-superstitious out of fear, and this is, counterintuitively, endangering the people who will likely suffer the most from this (the elderly and those with already suppressed immune systems -- everyone with rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, HIV, a transplanted organ, etc).
In the 17th century, there were periods of plague resurgence where cities were quarantined and many people died. The only way to escape it back then was to head out to the countryside and self-isolate. Despite modern hygiene practices existing, because there is no vaccine and no good treatment, this is probably the only way to guarantee you don't catch it now. Hand-washing and avoiding touching mucous membranes (your face!) is just what you should be doing anyway.
It's estimated that 40-70% of the world is going to catch this, and 80% of those will be mild or even asymptomatic -- corona-viruses cause 30% of all colds (rhinoviruses cause the other 70%). But for the other 20%, most of whom will be over 60, there will be pneumonia and bacterial infections and death for upwards of 15% of them, and for the other 85%, hospitalization, and a long recovery.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:11 pm
I wouldnt say a year is exaggerated at all....Hokahey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:10 pmWhat is the time frame for that 40-70%? If it's this year, that seems grossly over exaggerated.
It's estimated that 40-70% of the world is going to catch this, and 80% of those will be mild or even asymptomatic -- corona-viruses cause 30% of all colds (rhinoviruses cause the other 70%). But for the other 20%, most of whom will be over 60, there will be pneumonia and bacterial infections and death for upwards of 15% of them, and for the other 85%, hospitalization, and a long recovery.
I probably already had/have it.......the Oregon case was literally where I was last week.
A 1,000,000+ people on the west coast probably already have/had it. It started here almost a month ago based on their forensic findings to date.
We are sooooo behind on the science....
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:25 pm
Dont want anyone to die or get sick or go into financial ruin.....
but.................wow.
https://nyti.ms/2POkl6L
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:08 am
You can get some cracking holiday deals at the moment. I heard on the radio one 5* hotel in Venice was offering 3 nights plus Flights for like £350 (was normally like £179 per night). Some cruise ships are offering half price cruises too.
The government over here have basically said today it's going to get a shit loads worse before it gets better. There was even some ridiculous story yesterday about streaming funerals online. Sounds like FUN.
The government over here have basically said today it's going to get a shit loads worse before it gets better. There was even some ridiculous story yesterday about streaming funerals online. Sounds like FUN.