Trayvon Martin

[Romeo]

Wrong. By percentage in CA there are more whites of no Hispanic origin than people of Hispanic origin in your state


But thanks for playing.

But how may of our 2.6 million illegals do you think got counted?

That could very well put Hispanics up on top...

apparently the latest census counted illegal immigrants. isn't the figure closer to 5 million in california though?

Undocumented, homeless etc....were all counted in the 2010 census.
For California:
HISPANIC OR LATINO
Total population 37,253,956 100.0
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 14,013,719 37.6
Not Hispanic or Latino 23,240,237 62.4

[Hype]

Wrong. By percentage in CA there are more whites of no Hispanic origin than people of Hispanic origin in your state


But thanks for playing.

But how may of our 2.6 million illegals do you think got counted?

That could very well put Hispanics up on top...

apparently the latest census counted illegal immigrants. isn't the figure closer to 5 million in california though?

Undocumented, homeless etc....were all counted in the 2010 census.
For California:
HISPANIC OR LATINO
Total population 37,253,956 100.0
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 14,013,719 37.6
Not Hispanic or Latino 23,240,237 62.4

Should be noted 'Hispanic or Latino' means from South America, Mexico and related places.. So not just "Mexicans". Technically it should include Spaniards and the Portuguese, but I'm not sure if it does.

[Romeo]

Yea after that line it broke down the different Hispanic groups.
Including 142,194 Spaniards

Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 14,013,719 37.6
Mexican 11,423,146 30.7
Puerto Rican 189,945 0.5
Cuban 88,607 0.2
Dominican (Dominican Republic) 11,455 0.0

Central American (excludes Mexican) 1,132,520 3.0
Costa Rican 22,469 0.1
Guatemalan 332,737 0.9
Honduran 72,795 0.2
Nicaraguan 100,790 0.3
Panamanian 17,768 0.0
Salvadoran 573,956 1.5
Other Central American 12,005 0.0

South American 293,880 0.8
Argentinean 44,410 0.1
Bolivian 13,351 0.0
Chilean 24,006 0.1
Colombian 64,416 0.2
Ecuadorian 35,750 0.1
Paraguayan 1,228 0.0
Peruvian 91,511 0.2
Uruguayan 4,110 0.0
Venezuelan 11,100 0.0
Other South American 3,998 0.0

Other Hispanic or Latino 874,166 2.3
Spaniard 142,194 0.4
Spanish 98,956 0.3
Spanish American 3,603 0.0
All other Hispanic or Latino 629,413 1.7

[Romeo]

New York:

Total population 19,378,102 100.0
Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 3,416,922 17.6
Not Hispanic or Latino 15,961,180 82.4

[Hype]

Mexican 11,423,146 30.7

So there's the number that proves Dali's claim is a massive exaggeration. True, 11 million Mexicans is a large number --- there are only about that many people, total, in Ontario, Canada, but why wouldn't there be a large number of people of Mexican origin in a border state?

[Pandemonium]

Mexican 11,423,146 30.7

So there's the number that proves Dali's claim is a massive exaggeration. True, 11 million Mexicans is a large number --- there are only about that many people, total, in Ontario, Canada, but why wouldn't there be a large number of people of Mexican origin in a border state?

The overwhelmingly large percentage of that number is concentrated in certain key areas of CA, notably Los Angeles for example which is about 47% Hispanic vs 53% all other ethnic groups.

[Hype]

Well, with a Spanish name for your city, what do you expect?

There was a town in Ontario called "Berlin" before WW2, and no one was complaining that it was mostly Germans... until the war, that is... Then they changed the name and everyone forgot.

Maybe if they changed Los Angeles to "London", there'd be no problem?

[creep]

hey...wrong again

second degree murder. a conviction may be tough.

[Hype]

hey...wrong again

second degree murder. a conviction may be tough.

They may have gone for this because they think they can prove that Zimmerman intended to kill Martin by shooting him, whereas if he had, say, shot him in the leg and then he bled out, it might be more plausibly manslaughter (which is unintentional killing).

[creep]

hey...wrong again

second degree murder. a conviction may be tough.

They may have gone for this because they think they can prove that Zimmerman intended to kill Martin by shooting him, whereas if he had, say, shot him in the leg and then he bled out, it might be more plausibly manslaughter (which is unintentional killing).

who knows...believe it or not i'm not a lawyer. i'm sure he will be convicted of something.

[Hype]

I just imagined you on a jury saying that... "Yeah he's probably guilty... I don't know."

[creep]

I just imagined you on a jury saying that... "Yeah he's probably guilty... I don't know."

seriously i could never be on a jury. i do not have the attention span for it. i have a hard enough time in a 50 minute class.

[Hype]

How many 's's in 'innocent'?

[clickie]

sounds like its all gonna come down to who escalated it to physical violence.

I think the jury will decide Zimm was well within his rights...

the claims that he was profiling Martin because he was black is irrelavant.

[clickie]

I was thinking this guy probably wouldve had a better chance of getting off with self defense if he was arrested that same night and no one really heard about it...

plus theres no way he's gonna get an all white jury..so he might be lookin' at twenty years...

[chaos]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic ... nting_him/

JACKSONVILLE, Fla.—The neighborhood watch volunteer who shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was arrested and charged with second-degree murder Wednesday after weeks of mounting tensions and protests across the U.S.

George Zimmerman, 28, could get up to life in prison if convicted in the slaying of the unarmed black teenager.

Special prosecutor Angela Corey announced the charges but would not discuss how she arrived at them or disclose other details of her investigation, saying: "That's why we try cases in a courtroom."

Second-degree murder is typically brought in cases when there is a fight or other confrontation that results in death but involves no premeditation to kill. It carries a mandatory minimum of 25 years behind bars when a gun is used.

Martin's parents expressed relief over the decision to prosecute their son's killer.

"The question I would really like to ask him is, if he could look into Trayvon's eyes and see how innocent he was, would he have then pulled the trigger? Or would he have just let him go on home?" said his father, Tracy Martin.

Corey would not disclose Zimmerman's whereabouts for his safety but said that he will be in court within 24 hours, at which point he can request bail. He turned himself in in Florida.

Zimmerman's new attorney, Mark O'Mara, said Zimmerman will plead not guilty and will invoke Florida's "stand your ground" law, which gives people wide leeway to use deadly force without having to retreat in the face of danger. The lawyer asked that people not jump to conclusions about his client's guilt and said he is "hoping that the community will calm down" now that charges have been filed

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[Pandemonium]

hey...wrong again

second degree murder. a conviction may be tough.

They may have gone for this because they think they can prove that Zimmerman intended to kill Martin by shooting him, whereas if he had, say, shot him in the leg and then he bled out, it might be more plausibly manslaughter (which is unintentional killing).

I think it all hinges on Zimmerman's disregard of the 911 Operator telling him to stop following Martin and let the local Police do their thing which can be argued that he showed willful intent to engage in an armed and ultimately fatal confrontation with an unarmed, innocent person.

[mockbee]

Mexican 11,423,146 30.7

So there's the number that proves Dali's claim is a massive exaggeration. True, 11 million Mexicans is a large number --- there are only about that many people, total, in Ontario, Canada, but why wouldn't there be a large number of people of Mexican origin in a border state?

California isn't just a border state. Alta California (the present day state) has still, in it's history, been occupied by the Spanish 100 years longer than by the US. Missionaries and explorers had been plying the coastal waters and starting settlements from the early 1600s.

So yea, Hispanic/Latino are going to be a significant population.

[Hype]

Mexican 11,423,146 30.7

So there's the number that proves Dali's claim is a massive exaggeration. True, 11 million Mexicans is a large number --- there are only about that many people, total, in Ontario, Canada, but why wouldn't there be a large number of people of Mexican origin in a border state?

California isn't just a border state. Alta California (the present day state) has still, in it's history, been occupied by the Spanish 100 years longer than by the US. Missionaries and explorers had been plying the coastal waters and starting settlements from the early 1600s.

So yea, Hispanic/Latino are going to be a significant population.

Indeed. Dali only brought it up as a red herring anyway. Okay, so he's racist toward black people and "Mexicans" (or at least, fears that they "outnumber" "his people"?)... but that's just a flawed way of thinking to begin with, though nothing to do with whether we should or shouldn't be outraged about black-offender/white-victim crimes of "similar severity" to the Trayvon Martin case which until a day or two ago wasn't even technically a "crime" (which was part of the reason for being outraged, I thought...)

[Romeo]

Mexican 11,423,146 30.7

So there's the number that proves Dali's claim is a massive exaggeration. True, 11 million Mexicans is a large number --- there are only about that many people, total, in Ontario, Canada, but why wouldn't there be a large number of people of Mexican origin in a border state?

California isn't just a border state. Alta California (the present day state) has still, in it's history, been occupied by the Spanish 100 years longer than by the US. Missionaries and explorers had been plying the coastal waters and starting settlements from the early 1600s.

So yea, Hispanic/Latino are going to be a significant population.

[Essence_Smith]

My gut tells me that ultimately Zimmerman will get off...my common sense tells me that if I'm a 17 year old kid and I see a car following me in a place I'm not quite familiar with and all of the sudden a man jumps out and confronts me verbally or otherwise I'm now in a position where I might feel the need to defend myself...whether I'm doing something I shouldn't be or not, "minority" kids are unfortunately on guard for things to happen you may not be familiar with...I got jumped by 5 guys while waiting for a bus years ago...they claimed they thought I robbed someone they knew...and I was dressed in slacks and a dress shirt...imagine if I'd been wearing a hoodie...

So all those who would like to make the excuse of Trayvon may have started the violence I call BS...if Zimmerman hadn't continued to follow him the possibility of it escalating to that is ZERO...the 911 tapes are pretty crucial too...screaming, gunshot, no more screaming...somehow I still feel he'll be found not guilty...which kills me how he basically went looking for trouble (while armed) and somehow had to "defend" himself...

[Romeo]

Anyone remember Michael Griffith (age 23) or Yusef Hawkins (age 16). 2 men who were killed only because they were black men in a white neighborhood.

[Essence_Smith]

I remember both situations Romeo...sad stuff and more than 20 years later there are plenty of people who still feel we don't "belong" in their areas and will obviously react violently at our presence...all situations where the people who were killed were said to be good people and weren't making trouble for anyone...

[Romeo]

If I remember correctly Michael & friends had their car breakdown on Cross Bay Blvd, started walking to get help, stopped in to New Park Pizza (which I am sad to say does have the best pizza in Queens) to get a bite to eat. He & his friends were confronted by a group of white guys who didn't think Michael and his friends "belonged" in Howard Beach. Beat them and chased Michael onto the Belt Parkway where he was fatally struck by a car.

Yosef was in Bensonhurst to see his girlfriend. Again confronted by a group of white guys and was shot. I believe Spike Lee used it as the basis for "Jungle Fever"

I guess out of the numerous cases we've had over the years those two stuck out to me. Probably because when they happened in the 80's I was in my twenties, the victims were around my age group. It was just all so sad & senseless.

[creep]

My gut tells me that ultimately Zimmerman will get off...my common sense tells me that if I'm a 17 year old kid and I see a car following me in a place I'm not quite familiar with and all of the sudden a man jumps out and confronts me verbally or otherwise I'm now in a position where I might feel the need to defend myself...whether I'm doing something I shouldn't be or not, "minority" kids are unfortunately on guard for things to happen you may not be familiar with...I got jumped by 5 guys while waiting for a bus years ago...they claimed they thought I robbed someone they knew...and I was dressed in slacks and a dress shirt...imagine if I'd been wearing a hoodie...

So all those who would like to make the excuse of Trayvon may have started the violence I call BS...if Zimmerman hadn't continued to follow him the possibility of it escalating to that is ZERO...the 911 tapes are pretty crucial too...screaming, gunshot, no more screaming...somehow I still feel he'll be found not guilty...which kills me how he basically went looking for trouble (while armed) and somehow had to "defend" himself...

if anything maybe it will help to change the "stand your ground" law in florida.